Depends on what you were trying to get out of classic, whether or not its ruined for someone is subjective. A large part of my endgame was going to be doing AV. I’m not going to be a competitive raider or pvper so it was something I could spend a lot of time doing. The game isn’t ruined for me but its definitely taking a huge part of the game away at least as far as I’m concerned. Maybe I’ll try to get into another aspect of classic but the games longevity is most likely shortened for me.
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See that is understandable. And by that logic you are correct in saying that. It’s the overly inflated emotional take wielding it like leverage that bothers me.
Being honest with yourself and telling things how it is straight forward is what I agree with. I even have my own “this happens and I am gone” statement which I mean 100% (perma sharding). But going out saying that it is ruined/wont play it because of this constantly trying to leverage your subscription as an argument just doesn’t bode well for me. I won’t argue against someone for it but I won’t defend the argument in general unless I feel, like with you as you’ve stated, that the point is not that you’d be dissuaded but that it affects the longevity for players like you.
What is stopping you from spending a lot of time in AV regardless of version?
How about you answer some questions for me. Why did you spam the wall of no so many times? Also what changes did you advocate for when they did announce classic?
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/shrug I’ve never lied about wanting changes to classic unlike people who want to change 1.12 and claim they’re #nochange.
But if we’re talking changes, I’ll happily trade 1.5 AV for better class balance.
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Well AV was my end game in classic, as it was for most people at the time.
You had more doing AV then doing raids.
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Since the beginning you didnt want classic to come out, you spammed the wall of no and loved rubbing people’s faces in it. Then classic comes out those same people get you back by giving you the wall of no changes and now your finding any way possible to get them back with no changes to 1.12 AV. Your petty man. That’s why I don’t trust you about 1.12 in any way. Sorry you lost your credibility with me. Your very salty and vindictive.
Actually I’ve always said I would play classic if it came out, but try again ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Also it was never my wall of no(or any player’s for that matter) it was blizzard’s wall of no
Actually it wasn’t blizzards wall of no. It was
compiled by a player not blizzard. And as far as it’s yours you owned it when you put your name behind it. You might have said that you would play it but it was prefaced with the wall.
As far as you are concerned you tried to shoot people down about classic. When it came back on you, you couldn’t handle it but your too invested in your troll to admit it. All you have left is picking scraps off of classics bones to troll about.
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Not everyone who disagrees with your post vanilla change wish list are “nochangers”. Most who want no changes mean no changes beyond the aspects in the vanilla timeline. Your misrepresentation of people who do not want changes is comical.
The wall of no was comprised entirely of statements by blizzard, it was very much their wall of no.
And I always said I would play on classic servers if they ever became a thing.
I’ll take this as an admission of defeat. Since your repeating yourself and haven’t addressed what I said.
That’s fine, I guess you just like being wrong
Damn, I agree with you.
I remember summoning the forrest lord!
That’s the best.
No one has asked WHY they removed all of this way back when… was it too hard?
Someone did ask John Staats, a level designer who designed WSG, about if they’d implement old AV.
AV is probably one of the best designed battlegrounds you guys have made, I’m sad that it is reduced to what it was now, but why is Blizzard so afraid to implement something like Old AV again? (PvE and PvP mixed together)
“AV wasn’t very popular, While some people enjoyed the mix of PVP and PVE, most did not. Thx!” - John Staats.
This is literally coming from an original level designer of World of Warcraft. He made Molten Core, WSG and a whole host of other things.
Source:
Basically the over emphasis on pve aspects made it a relatively unpopular BG. So it’s not that it was too hard, it was just boring.
And we all know how design by participation rates ends up…
I mean… I remember playing all versions. I just don’t ever remember getting a WHY except the hour long turtles.
But how would removing objectives and NPC’s prevent turtles?
I remember the first few times when Horde and Alliance met mid field AND RODE PAST EACH OTHER. I was like…what is going on?
That’s when zerging the boss started.
So, you had a team stay back on D.
I like the original version. I like summoning big ice guys.
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I mean, I remember the complaints, it’s not like John Staats was wrong or anything- too long, too much fighting against NPCs for what was supposed to be a PvP battleground.
But, the RPG feel of the earlier versions is the version I would rather have in Classic as it was more memorable and unique than zerg rushing the boss. I can do that in retail.
Me too. But there is no point/time to do it with the more modern versions of the BG.
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