It’s been basically equally popular (not very/at all) for many tiers now.
We are arguing that survival is not popular to the vast majority so i used the first 2 weeks of the raid parses in normal as an example of when the most amount of players would actually be playing when we had 2+ million parses instead of the current 200k for the 2 weekly…
Survival did more damage than MM and survival parses sat at 35k when MM sat at 111k.
People are trying to tell me that Survival is just as popular as MM and i find that hard to believe, just because parses say survival is doing good right now when the patch is basically over and nobody is playing in comparison to the start of the expac doesnt represent the majority of players and is not great data to use.
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Fyrakk
10.2
10.2.5
Also on heroic.
And it’s less that majority of ppl quit as much as people came in, figured out that SV is fine and swapped to it.
I find it very easy to believe, because we have current numbers available, and we know that MM has been historically one of the less popular specs after legion.
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I think Pack Leader forcing hunters to have specific animals that they didn’t choose out is incredibly stupid. We’ve had dire beast and stampede working with our stable for years, and even better, we’ve had a host of pets being available to us. Blizzard knows hunters like picking their own pets, when they want to play with pets, and that its part of the class fantasy and customization.
To suddenly force Pack Leader to make us have specific animals? No. I won’t be playing pack leader anymore, despite it being my preferred hero class.
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Honestly, they need to make it so that it can take an animal from the stables. Period. That and and the new beasts for the Pack hero talents. The fact that they’re forcing specific pets on us when that hasn’t been the class fantasy ever, save with hati, is pretty silly.
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then don’t play it chud
Here is the feedback thread, you should definitely post your thoughts there if you haven’t already.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/feedback-hunters/2031180/2
The argument has been Pack Leader does not capture the fantasy of it’s name. That it’s just passive buffs, and should be about calling more beasts.
This redesign is based on that feed back as one suggestion was to call beasts that provided buffs. They also chose beasts based on lore since they are all Rexxar’s pets. I am more interested in the re-imaging.
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My only 2 “issues” with rework are :
- the new defensive node is insanely weak ? (10% dr for 6 sec after you dip below 40% already, and only once every 2 min)
- no more beast cleave extension will suck in AoE
right like at 10% what is that even doing on a 2 minute cooldown…
Nice you compare the one patch where where MM hunter did significantly less damage than the other 2 specs and even posted proof in your photo. DPS loss that significant makes people swap even if they dont want to swap. MM hunter was actually the lowest dps of the whole patch, even getting close to augmentation dps.
You all are coping hard thinking survival is a popular spec, only people in the wow community that thinks that way.
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It would be cool, if i was playing Rexxar, but im playing my own hunter.
They just copy what happens with diabolist where you summon 3 iconic demons, but warlocks and demons relation is different, Hunter is precisely the spec that can customize what companions you have.
It is another case of they not knowing what to do with the hero spec and not knowing their own player, with also i further proved by they removing MM pets and slapping a bird and calling a day, thinking it will shut people up just because they “promised” you could customize into another lame bird maybe in the next expansion.
Now MM fix is pretty simple, just roll with the changes, but give the option to call the pet back.
Fixing pack leader? no clue how, since i dunno their limitations, would be cool to customize the pack leader beats with ones from your stable that you specifically chose, but who knows if it is possible.
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No, just no. the idea of losing the option of having a pet available to tank while out of M+ or raids is not a play style that interests me at all. The best has been a key part of the class overall since vanilla. Saying “just swap to Beast Mastery if you don’t like it” is an insult to the decades i have been playing this character. This whole idea feels like something who’s sole focus is high end endgame content at the expense of all other parts of the game.
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Genuine question, I’m just curious, when do you need a pet to tank? The pet for MM can’t really tank multiple mobs, misdirection doesn’t last long enough for it to be effective. And single mobs die before they ever get to you with just one concussive shot. Elite mobs would be the only issue, but all petless specs have the same issue. We can at least swap to bm for those rare occasions, unlike classes whose only option is to find a group.
The game has evolved a lot. Normal mobs out in the world are never a threat to dying anymore like they were in the days of murlocs calling their 20 friends to come pound you.
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8-11 delves and world elites, the layout od most/all delves mean kiting isn’t an option, and the elites have way too much hp to kill before they get to you even if they aren’t immune to move imparing effects. If i wanted to play BM I would. I do not.
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ppl play because its tuned better - there fixed it for you - the moment MM and BM outperforms sv it will go back to have the same 4 sad players who like the idea of melee hunter
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Did you get to inspect him during the cinematic? lol
wow people play dps classes that perform well? what an earth shattering revelation.
you can’t say at the same time “people hate playing sv and its an abomination, it’s a mess, it can’t work on the basis of XYZ, fundamentally wrong, nobody would play it” and then say 'well yeah people play it, it’s strong"
so when SV has low numbers it’s because it’s a melee hunter but when MM has low numbers does that mean people dont like the idea of a ranged hunter? 
NOBODY is saying SV is popular, we are saying it’s not the least popular and MM has recently been less popular. leave your emotions at the door
easy deduction from the information provided and prior knowledge we had.
Dwarves are know to be gunners, something related to markmanship, as the dwarf unit in Wc3. They are not related to traps, per see, just guns and bombs. The dwarves of ironforge are also not related to beast mastery. Bears are also not exotic beasts, all though kinda of a null point since exotic beasts were added later on, i think wrath?, either way, bears are common animals. You would think a beast master would have a bow with a dire wolf, a raptor or some nasty beast like that.
He gave much more the give of a MM hunter
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Ill play classic for the first time ever when MoP classic is available. Gotta relive the OP Blood DK FCing.