Lets say you have xxtitanslayerxx that is a troll and simply can’t play the frost orb. He will always cause a wipe. In 25m, the odds of him getting it is low. In 10m, its much higher, meaning you will wipe more.
Thats why people say its harder. Its always relative to the people around you, and in 10m it just means much more.
Also lets not pretend that the setup boss doesn’t exist.
It’s over all a wash, the intent tuning wise was for them to be the same, some fights end up easier or harder on one size or the other for various reasons so people kept complaining about why one or the other was unfair.
Blizzard ended up going back to a single size for precisely that reason.
That is true. It was impossible to balance from the start. Fixed 20m was the only real solution.
I mean in 25m you could have more trolls thats not really an argument.
Look at Chimeron for example, hes a tank and spank.
The fastest 10m kill is 1:53 and on 25m the fastest kill is 2:47. almost a full minute faster.
The bosses are a joke on 10m.
Nothing is dangerous, the abiltiies dont hit anywhere near as hard as 25m and the boss has way less life in relation to the amount of players.
Now idc about the loot, they can increase it for 10m.
If you checked the log you would know they played with 8 dps. That would be the equivalent of 21 dps in 25. Find me a log with that.
They really aren’t. It’s boss dependant. Some are harder, some are easier, and most importantly you rely a lot of setup in 10m. Thats the reason why they made 10m a bit easier on hp because it’s hard (to impossible) to get all raid buffs.
Can also find you bosses where killtimes are about the same or higher on 10m if that is some kind of metric.
Me neither. I just see that people that do 10m (including my alt) are way more undergeared in 10m which is hilarious considering design-wise they should be the same “difficulty”.
And that 25m played with 21 dps.
21 dps vs 8.
The 8 did it 1m faster.
I agree 10m is harder to hit all the buffs tho.
Also that 10m is 370 ilvl average and the 25m was 371.
Then I take it back. Chimearon might be one of those rather bad balanced bosses. Tho looking at the best 25m log, the bdk simply didn’t do any damage compared to their 10m counterpart. Not that it makes up 1min but seems like they aren’t optimising as much as the 10m raid.
Not being biased towards any raid size. I do both and I can’t care less. The friends I’m playing with 10m are being very sad that the drop is abysmal while my 25m raid is swimming in loot with an average of around 370.
Also fun fact that: the raid that did the top boss speed are mainly raiding 25m (otherwise I doubt they would be all full bis by now).
If you look down on both ilvls for that fight for both raid sizes they are all like 368-372.
I mean idc either.
I only ever did 10m heroic nef and it was kind of a joke.
Idk how they would balance another item drop becasue then 10m would be better than 25m, but idc either way.
My suggestion is still 50% chance for a third item. Would be % wise the same (2.5 per 10 player).
I agree an entire item more is not fair.
I brought my ele to the main raid yesterday and i was 360 ilvl starting out and after 13/13h im now 368 ilvl lol.
Got all 5 372 tier pieces among other 372 loot.
That is huge. Your shaman is already higher ilvl than my 10m alt that have been doing heroic full clear since week 2. But then again, its a shaman, nobody else wants that loot
Yeah in that regard youre right, shaman gear is pretty uncontested.
i think 1 extra item on the non tier bosses is a pretty good way to do it, it gives an extra item exactly where they currently need it
Thats a good suggestion.
Idc if they add an extra item in for 10m, i highly doubt my raid is going to be like were done now guys we are going to 10m because they get +1 items.
In 25m we are swimming in items, no real reason to swap.
true, but then firelands has roughly 1/2 the items that t11 does per week, it could reverse very quickly
Its the same items per boss just half the bosses you mean?
I’m ok with 1 item more for non-tier bosses.
Also firelands has kinda higher loot pool because all bosses share weapons next to their loot table
Yeah im looking at it now, but lets be real we all want them Rag weapons lmao.
its half the bosses and only 5 tier bosses instead of 6
current loot 25h = 6x 9 + 7x6 = 96 items
fl 25h = 5x9 + 2x6 = 57
I never did cata before, does tier work the same way in Firelands?
Or is it all drops now or does valor get updated tier?