No I don’t think it changes it, simply expands on it. The Kaldorei are still the people of Elune, her favored children, she says as much when she speaks to the Winter Queen through Tyrande.
That being said, there is now a new Eonar connection which I think is cool as it has even more cosmic forces behind them as a race.
The roots of the tree that Elune gifted to her still lived under the surfaces and the Well of Eternity is probably where the tree was ripped out. These books also make it sound like G’Hanir, the mother tree, is the original and main world tree, something that connects all of the realms/worlds similar to Nordrassil in Norse mythology which much of the Titan pantheon is already based on. And know it is implied that Elune has great power over G’Hanir which explains how she was able to create the seed from which Amirdrassil, the new world tree, will flourish.
But the Well of Eternity is still what shaped the Night Elves and it is said that Elune slept their during the day, and that is how the Night Elves communed with her to learn things about the world such as how the continent was named “Kalimdor”, so I think Elune was still very much the primary power in that situation.
The dream getting progressively stranger then further you delve into it, and the implication that it connects to other worlds or even other realms is actually really interesting. I wouldn’t mind exploring that.
Its nice hearing something about the dream that doesn’t consern The Nightmare that’s been brought up and resolved half a dozen times across several forms of media
Honestly okay with this so far since it seems to be tying Elune more directly to Azeroth again after that… stuff, in Shadowlands. It also brings her back down to peer level with the Titans, as opposed to a being that sits above them in power. Also appreciate the slow march towards the Titans not necessarily being all good or even good guys, which was the case for a really long time in WoW’s lifespan only for Legion to upend that.
The Greeks called it, “Agape” and no it’s not romantic love. It’s the love between friends deep and enduring. Intimate even. Not SEXUAL. We Americans can’t fathom having intimate friendships like they have in other parts of the world because that would mean allowing ourselves to be fully vulnerable to someone who isn’t kin or a sexual partner. Far too often that weirds us out. Better to talk about sports and killing things or playing video games! We men can’t have agape it’s too not manly in the way we’re used too!
I’ve always interpreted them as akin to Marvel’s Celestials who had condemned every world they ever shaped, or the beings behind the Monoliths in 2010 who made it clear that they were just as ready to weed as sow and were pretty much outright villains in 3001.
I am not sure, I want some major players still being undeniably good and benevolent. Not everything needs a darker twist or to be in a gray area morally. First the light, now the titans, soon enough the forces of nature will also be a problem for some reason.
The only beings able to choose good or evil are mortals—That is what makes them special and important in the multiverse. Cosmic entities can only behave according to their nature. Order can only try to structure things into static perfection. Disorder can only destroy. etc.
Elune, the Winter Queen and Eonar seem to be on the side of Good at the least.
Aman’Thul only rejected siding with Sargeras because Sargeras was willing to kill Titans which went against what Aman’Thul at the time thought was the natural Order of things.
I’m sure he will soon be agreeing with Sargeras after all this making him an enemy of Eonar even if he insists on discarding the Fel due to it not being Order.
Fel is a form of Disorder Magic while Order includes Earth, Time, Arcane and Holy Order Magic.
It says a lot when the Green Dragonflight’s Magic and Blue Dragonflight Magic have the Purple of Arcane mixed into them which means that Frost, Life and Dream aren’t of the Order Magic branch themselves but need Arcane Order Magic to make them serve Order unlike Time, Earth and Holy Order Magics.
Speaking of the Cosmology I should remind you all that Necromancy is technically used by Elemental and Cosmic Forces separate from Death so something similar must go for other Magic Schools which explains why there is Holy Order Magic.
Holy Magic by definition is the closest one can get to the original of each Cosmic Force. Holy Order Magic is the closest one can get to Pure Order without going to Zereth Ordus which means that Pure Order and Pure Light are identical to the Pure Death of Zereth Mortis in otherwords.
Being able to choose between good and evil is how the uniqueness of mortals has been framed in Diablo, not in WarCraft.
Order seeks to create purposeful organization and function, not static perfection. Which is why instead of just locking in the most basic and stable of rudimentary systems, the implementation of Order brings about increases in complexity, as embodied by pure arcane energy’s propensity for growing outward into complex crystalline formations while shaping incorporating materials and other magics it touches. As opposed to Disorder, which seeks to tear down organization and function, as manifested by pure fel energy breaking matter and other magics down into more corrosive fel sludge.
As of the turn over of the story to Danuser, that is one of the things he has been pushing. Choice is a mortal thing. Cosmic entities are limited by their natures, whereas mortals, as a mixture of all forces, can see things from all angles.
Despite how close the Green Dragon’s are to the Kaldorei… based on what we actually SEE in-game, it is still pretty distant. Malfurion didn’t learn from 'em as much as he learned from from Cenarius, whose offspring are attributed to having this knowledge. Every other branch of druidism doesn’t really connect to the Green Dragons at all.
So if this idea is something the spirits share, then -why- haven’t we heard this before? We talk to them infinitely more than Green Dragons- and the Ancients have LOREMASTERS who talk about history and teach it.
This feels like a really, really shoddy bandaid trying to salvage this newer ‘titans are order-stupid’ writing, because they realize the Emerald Dream has fundamentally never been written to be strictly ordered. The idea that it comes from something that existed prior isn’t the issue since Chronicles itself hinted at it (which, if it comes from titanic sources because of Danuser’s words, means that Titanic entities do perceive this, contradictory to what the dragon thinks). It’s just… the clunky effort to tie this into a fairly nonsensical rewrite of the titans.
“When Aman’Thul saw what Eonar had done, he chided her. “This is not Order!” he bellowed. “You have infected this world with uncontrolled chaos!”
I know these stories stated in-universe to be legends, but this quote makes me incredibly sad. Not only is the language too on the nose, but it reeks of conflict for conflict’s sake. This feels very out of character.
They are really going out of their way to make Aman’thul as unlikeable as possible.
If “Life is chaos.” Than Eonar was just doing what is in her designation as the Titan of Life, to support chaos. Maybe, Life was never meant to be ordered.
I think another thing that bugs me about this line specifically is that the emotion behind it works against the Titans = order robots vibe.
Especially if every cosmic force is going to have a Pantheon, then I feel they should have their own quirks in dialogue/behavior to differentiate them - and when I think “robots who want everything to be structured and orderly”, I do not think ‘bellows angrily’. I’d almost prefer the implication that Aman’thul did not lecture her, but rather assumed she had made a mistake and was surprised to learn she had acted outside of normal parameters - play into that theme of the Titans ordering things and not liking nor understanding disorder.
Something like: “When Aman’Thul saw what Eonar had done, he plucked the tree from the world and discarded it. ‘This does not contribute to order.’ He explained. ‘Such uncontrolled life risks infecting this world with chaos.’”
Something to keep the theme of the Algalon fight, where he/the Titans oppose us not because of anger or any personal animus towards the planet, but instead a distant lack of recognition of our personhood and a different priority towards their own goals over our lives. I think that kind of vibe, of not acknowledging living creatures and of Titansplaining to Eonar, would make a lot of players hate him even more than the current writing of making him an interchangeable shouting villain.