10.2 Lore Books -- Elune, Primordial World Trees, and More

I’ll be devil’s advocate and say that it doesn’t have to be romantic love. It can be platonic like from friend to friend, owner to a pet, parent to a child. There are many forms of love.

But at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case seeing the track record in DF alone. Although I would say it started during period of BfA as Shadows Rising also was about writing 2 new couples and both were homosexual. Instead of having one like that and other be straight. I think wedding at Zandalar would be more meaningful if it was about woman and man because it could end with uplifting message that from this bond new generation will come and eventually Zandalar will recover from all the losses and deaths.

But it feels this new team tries very hard to overcompensate.

I am personally not a fan of romances, especially in WoW as they’re super cheesy and Corny. That speech between Thalyssra and LTT was just… really hard to stomach. So I’d rather if they’d focus on something else.

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That’d be kinky

Life was so much simpler when the titans were the creators of everything.

Now we got 3D god printers and Uber titans :rofl::sweat_smile:

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I don’t know, to me it almost reflects the relationship between Tyrande and Malfurion… except strangely Elune is the goddess of life, which is definitely something they screwed up because it made no sense until they forced it.

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Even Chronicle was dubious on the Dream’s origins. It said perhaps Freya made it, or perhaps she found it and shaped it to her needs.

I don’t know that I care too great much if Eonar and Elune were lovers. It isn’t like it was too much of a stretch given the Tear of Elune was a pillar of creation, and Eonar’s spirit successfully hid (or was hidden) on a planet named after Elune for over ten millennia. So, we already established way back in Legion they were closely tied.

I already had suspicions about Aman’thul and his One True Timeline to begin with.

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Wait, wait, wait Elune stole Aman’thul wife?! This girl is quite a player. XD

We need to know what Malorne or Cenarius thinks about this? Or Neptulon? love quadrangle? I never thought I would want to see more love drama between the gods of warcraft

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no more like siblings

Are you trolling? is that first asumption you go to that drama like that was happening?

Poor MJ, she deserves better. Peter has turned into such a tool.

I’m still hopeful this gets outright retconned. Or we find out that like ONLY the Death Pantheon were made robots because something something they deal with death so they have to be impartial. That’s my hope anyways.

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Is not like we haven’t seen a Titan being born in real time. Titans are not like the covenant leaders I believe

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Ah yes… Il’gynoth is the World Tree that Eonar planted in Un’Goro that Aman’Thul ripped out that latter was banished to Ny’alotha before we banished him from there as well.

Chances are(judging from how no one besides Dragons and Demons have Wings) Il’gynoth is a Nathrezim which means G’Hanir is also a Nathrezim. The fact that Il’gynoth is willing to tattle on his mother says a lot.

Aviana is the source of G’Hanir’s lively state and should she disappear then G’Hanir starts lacking in leaves as befitting a being of Death who has mastered Decay.

The Nathrezim have prepared the pattern. There are 6 Trees according to the Everliving Statuette so the Pattern must come from the 6 Trees.

Amirdrassil is the 6th Tree and considering we kill the being of Order giving the Trees unrestrained access to reality…

Il’gynoth servant of N’Zoth will soon appear in Un’Goro, Andrassil servant of Yogg-Saron will appear in Grizzly Hills, Teldrassil servant of N’Zoth will revive in north-western Kalimdor, Amirdrassil servant of Elune and the Winter Queen will appear in the Dragon Isles, Shaladrassil servant of N’Zoth is already in Val’Sharah, Nordrassil is already in Mount Hyjal and G’Hanir servant of Denathrius will appear somewhere in Azeroth to begin corruption of the World Soul.

Ah! G’Hanir is the 7th Architect isn’t she? So it is her vs her 6 descendants in the end.

N’Zoth of course offers us his 2 Trees worth of Nightmares(Il’gynoth and Shaladrassil) and his 1 Tree’s worth of Dreams(Teldrassil) to aid in the battle against Night herself even if he knows he will fall to us in the process).

Yogg-Saron brags about bringing eternal suffering and of being the God of Death so don’t expect Andrassil to be friendly by the way. That one is a mirror of G’Hanir in terms of Morality and has 5 Great Trees aligned with it and if the Thros Tree in Drustvar is another Great Tree then G’Hanir has 2 Avatars both of which must be slain before G’Hanir herself falls ushering the coming of the Nathrezim.

2 Dark and foreboding Trees that are on the side of Good(Il’gynoth and Shaladrassil), 1 Dark and Foreboding Tree on the side of Evil(Andrassil), 2 Bright and Cheerful Trees on the side of Good(Nordrassil and Amirdrassil), 1 Bright, Cheerful and Insane Tree on the side of Good(Teldrassil) and 1 Bright and Cheerful Tree on the side of Evil(G’Hanir).

Eonar was never Aman’thul’s wife, where did you come up with that info?

Probably from the Non-Canon RPG as it mentions her as being his wife.

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key word: Non-canon.

Aman’thul and Eonar conceptually were originlly supposed to be a Chronos & Rhea type pairing but that never made it into any formal canon and after the revelations of the First Ones they seen further than ever to that original mythological blueprint.

I cracked the Shadowlands cosmology chart the First Ones are two snakes. :snake: :snake: they have many names in mythology, it’s hard to pin down one singluar myth but Shadowlands seems to have pulled a lot of inspiration for it’s setting from Greek myth, specially Metamorphoses and the Theogonies - it just makes sense to view it through a Greek and by extension Egyptian lens.

Two serpents, one living and one dead, creating an infinity symbol of an ouroboros around a central pillar of Death and Life. the coils of living snake go through Order and Disorder because they are a duality. The coils of the dead snake go through Light and Shadow, the dead snake is devouring the tail of the living snake in the sphere of Death, the living snake is devouring the tail of the dead snake in the sphere of Life.

it’s a Chaoskampf but also spiritual Alchemy.

I should also draw your attention to creation myths of the World Egg where a serpent coils at the base of The World Tree (mainly in Norse and Eastern mythology), because it’s currently very relevant to the meta narrative of 10.2 and the new World Tree. This particular serpent has many names, Jörmungandr, Leviathan, just to name a couple.

Also, Nyalotha is alive it’s not somewhere Illgynoth was ‘banished’ to it seems like it’s a living dream. If Old Gods don’t go to the Shadowlands, if they go back to where they came from then go back to where they were manifested out of a thought. Ny’alotha is less of a place and more of a sentient being. Ny'aotha is Alive?!

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This brings to mind the 2 Architects of the Pattern: G’Hanir and Yogg-Saron.

I have no doubt both are Denathrius’s Nathrezim spies.

1(G’Hanir the Black Goat with 7 Eyes) and 1000(Yogg-Saron the Crooked Serpent with no Eyes).

There is also 1 true path: the Drustvar Tree, Andrassil and G’Hanir.

Case in point the Drustvar Tree has a Pool right next to it’s portal to Thros. The Pool is probably a Portal to Nathreza. The death of G’Hanir will usher in the Nathrezim invasion of Azeroth I dare say.

Yeah, I have a different theory.

Two serpents, one living and one dead, creating an infinity symbol of an ouroboros around a central pillar of Death and Life. the coils of living snake go through Order and Disorder because they are a duality. The coils of the dead snake go through Light and Shadow, the dead snake is devouring the tail of the living snake in the sphere of Death, the living snake is devouring the tail of the dead snake in the sphere of Life.

This is the Balance.

The Central pillar and the two snakes are symbolical of the Caduceus. Long before this symbol was used for medicine it was known by Greeks as the Staff of Hermes, but long before that it was an Egyptian symbol. See reference Baphomet (a caricature by Levi) This depiction of the Sabbatical Goat from Levi has long been misunderstood and associated with Satan, but it’s actually just a clever image to hide sacred teachings that were 'hidden" in iconography. The myth was Hermes once threw his staff in between two fighting snakes and that separated them.

The Dead snake is the 'unholy syzygy of Light and Shadow." this is feminine in nature and it goes through the elements of water and air, the water representing the primal depths of the subconscious and air representing the Holy Spirit. the dead snake is ascending like the Kundalini.

The Living snake is descending, male in nature, he slithers through Order and Disorder, the elements of Earth and Fire. Both snakes are dualistic in nature, having both a negative and a positive sphere in Balance to one another. In Jungian psychology he called these two male and female dualities the “anima and animus.”

These two serpents respectively could also be given Solar alignments as per Alchemy. The living snake, Nehebkau is associated with the Sun and Wadjet, the dead snake, is associated with the Moon.

see image of Alchemical marriage (more symbolical iconography) https://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/images/articles-images/sun-and-moon.jpg

“The crooked serpent with no eyes, the veil between dream and dreamer fades away like skin from bone. Even the darkness howls for the light it once despised.” is a clever way to set up Shadowlands cosmology chart. This pamphlet was released in Legion which was an expansion focused on the other half of this duality the struggle between Order and Disorder. but through Shadowlands and again in Dragonflight it’s shifting again.

“The black goat with seven eyes that watches from the outside.” is a reference to both Levi’s Baphomet iconography (https://media.istockphoto.com/illustrations/19th-century-illustration-of-baphomet-illustration-id1177932617) and Lovecraft’s Shub-Niggurath, The black goat of the woods with a thousand young. The Two snakes are a duality between Azathoth, the dreamer who dreams up reality, and Azoth, the God of Chaos. Shub-Niggurath is possibly Elune as she shares mythology with creation goddesses like Astarte, Cybele, and could also be the Earthmother as she is also called “The Great Mother.” She is the Crooked Serpent with no eyes.

I don’t know if G’hanir is a petrified Old God, or a piece of Ill’gynoth, but I really like that theory and find it very plausible and it would be interesting if it was true. It’s time to stop seeing cosmic forces as disconnected entities. They are overlapping.

in modern writing? i wouldnt get your hopes up friend

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blame the writers for that though

Calling someone your “great love” is usually a bit much for just a friend, though, lol

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