Exactly. A reasonable debate/discussion between Eonar and Aman’Thul would be more in line with the depictions of the Titans as cosmic researchers and stewards of life. I feel the Titans would be more respectful to one another, brothers and sisters unified toward a common goal.
This quote makes Aman’Thul look like a child. I swear he is five seconds away from telling Eonar that “girls cant be titans”.
I also think the Green Dragonflight wouldn’t be as foolish to pass along a story like this given their reverence for the Titans.
It does seem like they want to steer hard into showing us the “negative” qualities of the Titans.
However, Blizzard’s definition of Chaos is very vague. Most of the nature themes present in Wow do abide by a “natural order”. Life, death, and a balanced ecosystem are recognized as a natural cycle by the druids, dragons, and Titans. Everything they reviled were from an unnatural order- so fel, necromancy, and void.
The only “unchecked” life I can think of are the sporemounds in Draenor. However, I think most nature-aligned would agree they were a threat to life itself.
I just cant see a good reason for Aman’Thul to suddenly be “anti-life”.
While Id hope Aman’Thul, Eonar, and Elune all remain as the good guys, I totally agree with you on how he was portrayed.
Titans have always been open to reason and discussion. They are benevolent, but very logic focused. And their “drastic” measure were calculated failsafes for end of the world scenarios.
The sheer disrespect to Eonar is so out of character, especially when you find out he made her cry. Like, Why?
Aman’thul left Algalon the Observer to watch over Azeroth and to be a fail safe in case the Old Gods got out of hand. Algalon’s speech implies that the Titan held no empathy for the living races on Azeroth. They would re-originate the planet without batting an eyelash that it would kill all sentient life.
What brings up more cause for doubt in the Titans PoV is Uldir. A Titan facility where the Titans were trying to manufactor an Old God, they were personally responsible for an Old God outbreak.
I wouldn’t say it was Ant-Life though. It was a failsafe for a worst-case-scenario. There wouldn’t be sentient life at that point if the Old Gods won. They are like a cosmic virus or parasite. The planet would be too far gone and would pose a threat to all life in the universe. You have to stop the spread of the infection.
Algalon was open to reason. After we proved we were strong enough to defend our planet, he relented. Everything seems reasonable to me.
The books that were found in early Dragonflight lik, Edicts of the Prime Designate say verbatim, “Life is chaos, it must be controlled.” That’s why they infused the Well of Eternity with Arcane Order magic to control evolution to be aligned with the agenda of Order.
Alagon also mentions during the fight that the titans had killed untold numbers of sentient beings and reorginated planets until they got the desired result
They never cared about life, only that that life follows a strict protocol or the planet will be purged and the titans start over again
There’s also Old God Pov where organic beings were cursed with stone but it’s often rejected because we are told the Old Gods are unreliable narrators and listening to them will lead to madness.
I would say that is more or less a retcon. And that was my point, the lore is changing for justifying new plot threads. The previous vibe was that Life has order and that order needs to be tended and nurtured.
Given what we know about re-origination and the old gods (in past lore), the worlds bathed in the maker’s flames were far gone/corrupted. The Titan’s don’t purge planets without reason.
His speech literally ends with “Had they all loved life as you do?". He chooses to spare us because we showed how we valued life.
And yes, he felt sorry for those previous words, but it was a dire circumstance. He made the choice because they appeared not capable of defending themselves against the horrors of the cosmos.
Lastly, the Constellar race are very robotic even by Titan standards. They seem to be more cold and calculating than the rest. And even then, he listens to reason.
It’s not so much them villain-izing the Titans that annoys me. Its been pretty clear since Wrath that they only tolerate our existence because it’s within their plans for an orderly universe. The moment we no longer fit within those plans, there’s no qualms of snuffing us out and starting over to square one with Azeroth.
It’s the writing itself just seems… off. Like Aman’thul’s outburst doesn’t fit with the character of a calculating being of supreme order. It reads more like a child throwing a tantrum. Which I guess can make some sense being that Aman’thul is clearly inspired by Zeus who was a massive man-child and petty AF.
I don’t know. The wording and portrayal just seems to contradict what we’ve seen of the Titans previously.
It is worth remembering this is a myth, passed down over tens of thousands of years. In world its truth is debated. So, while it likely has a seed of truth in that Aman’thul destroyed a world tree, him bellowing is likely a dragon embellishment.
I think it’s more that the Titans or at least their watchers, as most titan related stuff has been up to the discretion of the watchers, didn’t think we could defend ourselves.
Our deviating from their plan is more that we proved capable of handling our problems.
However, you are absolutely right about him acting like a manchild. The dialogue is so off-base.
I could see a debate on the merits of the tree between Aman’Thul and Eonar, but here it comes off as him just yelling at her. It would work as a parody, but not as legit lore or legends.
One of my pet peeves with wow story telling is that they take on challenges they aren’t ready to tackle.
The result? Near omnipotent gods talk and behave like idiots, and the writer doesn’t even try to spin this as a thing where the entity is so alien and incomprehensible to us that their logic doesn’t function like ours.
Imagine a race of immortal beings that can’t die. A prank for them would be having the other immortal being getting their headblown off. They can laugh it off because that head would pop right back up. But to us mortals thats straight up murder and a big deal… anyway this is not how Blizzard writers do things.
They take on challenges like writing for different races and divinity but ultimately they all sound the same. Everybody is a human just in a different set of costumes…
Meanwhile, in BG3 I have a Gith who by any metric is a total jerk and it takes her over a hundred hours of game story time to finally begin to change. Just a little I may add.
But why of all places is this found within the Emerald Dream?
I could see this as a story passed down from mortal to mortal, but dragons and the dream have traditionally revered the Titans. It feels like they would be the least likely to pass on a story like this one. Unless it was meant for whelps? Or like a comedy?
The legend angle appears more to be a writer’s fallback if they want to change story directions in the future rather than creating in-universe legends.
note it made Eonar out as the good person, and Aman’thul not so good. The Green Flight’s patron was Eonar. So… given this is a story found around in the dream where green dragons run things… The Blue Flight’s rendition of the same tale might be very very different.
That is a fair point. I would imagine those in the Dream are closer in scope and knowledge than the mortal races to the Titans and would be closer to the truth. If it was Druids in a grove embellishing this story, then I could see that
Plus, the Titans all seemed unified in their goals- with each titan taking on a specific task. That is why Sargeras was a shock as they realized one had turned against their own.
They didnt intend to manufactor an Old God. They created G’huun on accident when they experimented upon the Old Gods’ unending, ravenous need to corrupt.
I dunno. I kinda agree with Mith. How do you accidentally create an old god anyway? What did they think was going to happen when experimenting on old gods? I would have had a better time believing it was accident if it was simply more powerful than they intended it to be and thats why it broke containment
Sounds like someone’s not telling the whole story on that. At least thats how I feel on it
shrug Apparently by experimenting on their ravenous need to corrupt. I now wonder what a sample of that would look like and how much it changed as it became G’huun.
They were hoping to create a cure to the Ol Gods.
That is a possibility, but as of now all the lore points to an accidental creation. Perhaps as we go into this sins of the Titans storyline, we’ll learn more about the events within Uldir.
That’s kind of why I think someone’s lying big time about it being an accident. Too much randomness for it to just fully form into an old god on its own and have a will of it’s own on top of it.
I hope so, because as of DF and learning the Titans servants having a habit of dunking baby dragons into Order Juice to make them more eager to obey, a lot of things about Uldir seem super fishy and off putting to me now.
But that’s me and I’m probably over thinking it. It is blizzard after all
