10.1 caster buffs

PVP Battlegrounds
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in game ladder shows you what people want to q on friday night when they get off work and want a beer.

AWC shows you what people play when their lively hood is on the line.

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And we are not playing AWC games, so they balance around what is going on in the game. Still not random BGs though.

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I can’t argue with you, I’m sorry I can’t.

Logic goes right over your head

About what you’d expect from a 1200 destro

I’ve seen 2800 backpeddling destros btw.

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Cool, enjoy your night.

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I won’t argue that, but there is a problem. I’d venture to say that most people who queue random BGs do so solo or in a small group without a healer.

This is what it looks like to play melee without a healer. I’m duo queued with Alyrico (hunter). You are in this BG, Jugaa, along with two other destruction warlocks and some other ranged.

I take ten deaths here, but notice that it is a victory. It is a victory because every single of those deaths accomplished the goal of pushing your ranged out of mid so we could run flags.

Now, I ask you, how many people are there out there willing to take that many deaths just to help their team win?

Would they rather go 21 kills 0 deaths like my friend on his hunter or spend the entire BG running back from a GY? This is why there are so many ranged out there. It is easier to play with far less risk and high reward.

You’d have to be kind of insane to want to play melee without one or two dedicated healers with you in a preform. Side note; that implies that I am insane.

So, I agree that Blizzard will never take this gameplay issue into account but I maintain that it is doing some serious lasting harm to their game. Many things feed off of this issue. Everyone complains about premades, but premades are almost 100% necessary for melee to actually have a chance at enjoying the game in many match ups.

My team won, but I did not enjoy playing this match.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698960631788994710/1083541058039844934/Taking_Deaths.jpg

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Careful Vanazar, they’re just going to ignore anything you say that actually has value

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I calculated 360k for all rated including RBG and RSS including alts.

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Good calculation! you’re really close you can actually see the true number on pvp check, right below regions

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I get what you’re saying. My only point here was to point out that they balance around 3’s. I appreciate you actually not getting so tilted like the OP. Certain specs may need some nerfs but I wouldn’t expect anything heavy handed because that would throw off their 3’s. Maybe with solo shuffle in the mix, it will change things. But you know, as we all do, they do not make changes for random BGs.

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I would pay blizzard 50 USD to get you in one of my bgs lol

Just 1.

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I’m always willing to synch queue against people. Have no shame in my game, however good or bad I play :crazy_face:

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It’s also US and EU combined. I got it from here:
~https://www.pvpleaderboard.com/statistics
I show
Solo shuffle 330,000
2s 10,000
3s 9900
RBG 9900

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People do multiple Q’s

here: https://imgur.com/a/PBxzrhT (underlined it)

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Those are the number of characters that have any rating but includes alts and is for the whole world. Arena took a big hit. EDIT: Looking at the numbers it appears the total is the sum of everything so I think the participation number is 330k not 360 since most people who ran arena probably solo shuffle. Your numbers include other regions too, they seem to be the same picture.

I apologize, I really tried but I have trouble with imgur as they run too many scripts and my security shuts them out.

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Weird because every bg I see is a bunch of destros and most lobbies are two warlocks and a shaman/mage.

Ladder also shows caster rep is insanely high, especially considering it’s season 1 and we’re at the normally lowest point for 2ndary stat abusers like warlock. Yet they’re everywhere.

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Not 2’s or 3’s regular arena.

Hence the unless in randoms or solo shuffles…

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With such low participation I can’t imagine that they’d have enough data to do accurate tuning runs on 3s, it might be why they missed the mark so bad with recent tunings. It would be weird to tune around RSS, maybe impossible to tune around BGs.

You and Tide are both hard headed, I think that’s why I like you both.

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This year’s AWC has mostly been assa rogue comps.

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Assa/spriest
assa/lock
rogue/mage

is not melee

those are caster teams.

Melee is dk/war, walking dead, tsg, and ret/war

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The reason these numbers are all basically the same is that the site you are linking to, like every site, only has access to the top 5000 players on the ladder. Yes, premade 3v3 participation is down pretty bad atm, but it is not at 9900 players, lol. That is just makeup of the top 5000 on US and EU.

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