Exactly in 25 mans you can just “DC” and it doesn’t matter on most fights.
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I’m actually glad blizzard gave you a charity version of The raid I felt really bad that you couldn’t kill pre buff heroic lich King.
At least this charity version you can full clear pretty easily like you did
LoL someone is upset their 25 mans are being called out.
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I just said I’m glad…hello??
You get your charity version and us 25m players who are the real raiders get the harder version.
We both got what we want.
You get your fake achievements and I get to prog.
We both know you’re getting charity loot for doing the same difficulty 
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Whatever you got to tell yourself my man
I’m not the one running 25 mans just for the extra loot
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I mean we deserve it though because the content is far harder on 25 man.
You don’t find it interesting that all the people who couldn’t do this stuff back in wrath all of a sudden can full clear heroic this tier and all happened to be doing it on 10 man?
Pretty fascinating don’t you think I wonder why so?
I mean what could be the difference
People who “couldn’t do this stuff in wrath” are not clearing heroic in Cata, 10 or 25. There may be good players who didn’t raid 25 in Wrath, but that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t be capable of doing so if they wanted.
The only people who make this argument are those who aren’t good enough to handle the extra responsibility and rely on better players to carry them through content. If 25 man feels that much harder for you, it’s probably because your group is dragging too much dead weight.
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Except all the 10m players here COULDN’T do it in wotlk lmao.
No,.prog was fine in 25m we were 23rd on Benediction.
10m was a joke tho.
Like you can’t look at the facts and try to spin it that 10m is harder.
25m bosses mechanics hit far harder, the boss has far more health, the DPS checks exist on 25m prog but not 10m prog.
Literally everything about 10m is easier.
I wouldn’t be saying this if this was the original version of 10m before they nerfed it, which is what we have.
10 man was intentionally a joke in Wrath, starting in Cata it is intentionally the same difficulty as 25 man.
I for sure think the intentions were to make it equal and they definitely tried, they over buffed t11 on launch the over nerfed it later on (the version we have btw).
Then they made 10m FL also too easy, which is why if you couldn’t beat 25m heroic Rag you did it on 10m
Not sure how DS was as I haven’t done research on that yet.
But t11 and t12 in the current version we have is far easier on 10m, I’m sorry the facts are against you but it’s just the way it is.
Idk if you have tried both 10m and 25m heroic Firelands in PTR just yet.
With the same gear, we pushed Heroic rag to P4 long before the third meteor drops in 10m. But we were around 5-10 seconds off to beat this dps checker in 25man, with our 25 most dedicated players.
Just so you can do some simple math, Heroic Rag has 74 million hp in 10M, with 6 dps to cover, while having 290 million hp in 25m, with 19 dps to cover. That is 4 times the HP with just minorly more than 3 times the dps players. In the meantime, you don’t get more dps buffs by running 25m, this is not like wotlk or tbc anymore. It was tremendously harder to beat this dps check in 25m but was really a joke in 10m.
They aren’t taking actual facts they are using their feelings because they run 10m and can’t possibly be doing the easy version.
then what is the benefit of all the hassle of 25 man? stop trying to destroy big raids
If it needs a benefit then its already proven not to be the desired size. People should raid the raid size they prefer… and if it happens most people want 10 man then it should be just how it goes. Putting extra loot on 25 just to push it along is just forcing people to not do what they prefer for some sort of material gain.
Right you are admitting that most people don’t actually care about 25 mans for their own sake.
The reason to do them would be that they’re more “epic” or whatever but it turns out that’s not really important.
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The only raids preferring 25m are GDKPs because of the increased loot and ability to hard carry bad players.
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You are right in a sense that 25m is not the desired size. My most desirable “size” is solo delve mode. I never really enjoyed having to pre-allocate my IRL schedule for a content in video game. I dont need to do that for solo modes, will need some for 10m with a bit of flexibility, will need a lot of that for 25m with no flexibility (25m will not reschedule because one player can’t make it). That also explains why 25m should reward more and better.
Sad really considering how challenging 40 mans were.