Not every 1.12 AV is a rush.
Well only players like you who donât actually like pvp. I was able to find plenty of players to kill in AV 1.12.
I love that you repeatedly try to deflect from the fact that the changes to AV made avoiding pvp the most efficient way to obtain the loot, and so the path of least resistance, and least pvp, was what the BG became.
But hey, please continue to be like Ion and Lore and blame the players.
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Iâm not, Iâm pointing out thereâs a pvp solution to a pvp problem.
1.12 mindset, because 1.5 you had to take one objective at a time.
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Really? I was unaware you couldnât win the battleground without complete map coverage. This must be a new (old) feature
Not every 1.12 Av was a rush back then because it was not widely accepted and practiced.
Itâs gonna be attempted by everyone thatâs played AV in recent years though now.
So references to your videos from back in the day are irrelavant.
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Videos from back in the day? The 1.12 video I linked is from Nostalrius. The 2005 video was the exact same. Rushing was widely done in most cases, but occasionally a few people turned it into a turtle.
Tell me: whatâs stopping you from turning every AV youâre in into a turtle? Is it player mindset? If so, how is it going to change by going to 1.5? Is it not going to change? Why bother changing it then?
Its easier to zerg 1.12 than 1.5.
Man i hate repeating myselfâŚ
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So because itâs âharderâ to zerg in 1.5 then no one will zerg, right?
Why do you think that way.
The big difference is the number of people you need to cause said turtle. Its way easier with the npcs backing you up for a small group to halt the other team. Thatâs beside the point of there is less content in 1.12 than the earlier version. At least in bfa av you have to take some towers in order to win. in 1.12 you can pull the boss out of the room and kill him without agroing his buddies.
People will attemot and fail more often than succeeding. This serves as a slap on the wrists of the zergers.
Pretty easy to comprehendâŚ
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Pulling the boss out with no towers down is one of the easiest ways for a small number of people to screw up your rush.
Yeah, those two guards and an owl really threaten a lot of players. imagine if they had two owls. offense stopper right there.
You only need about 10 people to pull off a solid chokepoint at the guard towers.
Trust me when I say this. The âless contentâ isnât really noticed, because after the novelty of having a shredder fielded wears off (itll take a week), it rarely if ever sees any usage.
Pulling Vann/Drek out of his room resets him to full hp. Not sure where you get that from.
Theyâll attempt and fail more often than succeeding? Do you even know the metrics youâre evaluating? Where the landmines were placed? How many NPCs were removed, what their baseline stats were and how they were reduced?
My money is that they would still succeed way more often than they would fail. Much like in 1.12, zergs would be commonplace because that is the playerâs mindset.
You want rushing to be a thing of the past? Change AV so that it becomes more reputation/honor efficient to fight your opponent rather than avoid them and go for the end. If you donât address the core issue, youâre not ever going to be happy no matter the version we get (1.12).
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There were a lot more than a couple owls and guards taken away and they did way more damage and had more hp whats left is npcs that have been nerfed into the ground. The wearing down of the opposing force on the way there means you donât need 10 people to halt a zerg you can do it with less than half of that. Also donât come at me with that you think you do but you donât crap. Ill take the original av with the bigger map more npcs and all the rest. There are videos of people pulling them out of the room with a hunter in 1.12 then they kill drek/vann. And that less content gives a reason for people to stay in av longer example korrak doesnât spawn right away so if you want the loot your team needs to hold off the other team until then. You can admit that you donât even like av and just want to get in and out because you donât like to put in the work.
Because as has been told to you numerous times for you to ignore: AV should not be a binary choice of zerg/turtle.
The NPCs that were taken away were located in the towers aka, out of the field of the charge. They had their âpowerâ nerfed 15-30%. What blizzard meant by power is up to interpretation. Was it HP only? HP+Damage? Is 15% off of 4000 hp and 100 dps really that big of a deal? Not really. Not when you have 40 players charging through. Which mobs had their âpowerâ changed? Was it even referencing the guards?
How are the guards wearing anyone down? Itâs a warrior in tank gear leading the charge on his epic mount which draws aggro all archer/melee aggro.
Youâll actually take the 1.12 AV because thatâs what youâre being given.
If a hunter can really kite the 4 warmasters which have an in combat charge for the duration of the time it takes to kill Drek/Vann then good for that hunter. Iâd pay to see that video, because clearly he is on another level. Whatâs stopping a single player from stopping the hunter though?
Iâm not sure why you lot are so insistent I hate AV, itâs literally the zone I can cause the most people the most grief in a way that I wonât get banned. People hate turtles, and thatâs what I love causing. Infinite hate messaging.
Thereâs a third choice to attack/defend? Whatâs that?
/dance for tips?
Eveymine a clothie takes or troll they aggro and kills one of the rushers weakens the zerg. I like how you say well you dont know what was nerfed then go ahead and act as if you do and try to tell me they were nerfed but not enough to make the bg easier. Ok then why did they nerf them if they had no impact? Exactly. There was re than one strat to kill drek or vann without towers. You could even pull the warmasters outside and tank them while the rest of the team goes in and kills drek. Your whole youll take it because thatâs whats being given is a weak mans attempt to be edgy get over yourself. If your response that you like av and love to cause turtles then why do you care what version of av? Why not the version thatâs easier to do in? Oh because its bs. Im pretty sure your a bfa player with no interest in classic now just here to troll.
This whole zrg or not isnât my main reason to want the old av. I want more stuff to do in classic not less. The map was bigger more epic more of a war going on thatâs what I want I would honeslty rather play bfa av.