ZVP: Bring back Scourge (Test on PTR)

[LeProton-1637]

@TerranicII-1450

No, Scourge would still be a problematic unit based on their ability to obliterate air armies, and the lack of options to protect air armies from them.

I just listed all the options, feel free to keep quoting the same gold player tho.

@TerranicII-1450

Corruptors and Liberators both have long attack delays and acceleration issues could prevent them from kiting Scourge effectively even with that mild speed advantage.

Absolutely not, liberators are frequently seen kiting interceptors at the highest level which have a speed of 10.5, same with corruptors.

@TerranicII-1450

Kiting with Void Rays shouldn’t even be a consideration:

Gold league bias exposed. 5 VR’s 1 shot a scourge, 4 with +1 air. VR has attack delay of .36 meaning you are definitely shaving off scourges before they hit. Considering the best possible gas trade for zerg would be 3 scourge for 1 vr (112.5 vs 150) it would be extremely easy to turn the engagement into a favourable trade for the protoss, it’s the same concept as the current relationship of cyclone vs blinkstalker, or muta vs vr.

@TerranicII-1450

No, they don’t. Whenever Zerg masses Scourge they can simply overwhelm any normal air army.

No they won’t because air splash exists.

@TerranicII-1450

Other units can only be reasonably protected by high amounts of air-to-air splash; which simply isn’t present in StarCraft II the way it was in Brood War.

They absolutely do. L2p

@TerranicII-1450

The Thor’s splash radius is 0.5; and air units naturally split further than that within a second. It is a terribly ineffective tool at dealing with air units unless the opponent is explicitly trying to stack them up; and like most of the options on your list it would require the air units to always hover over a ground army for protection.

Given the nature of air stacking in sc2, thors would be great against scourge.

@TerranicII-1450

Those have limited mobility and a long delay that make them relatively ineffective tools for trying to protect slow air armies from Scourge.

Mines move at almost 4 speed and have a 1 sec burrow time.

@TerranicII-1450

In some cases those spells might kill Scourge, but they would be fairly unreliable.

In what sense would those “might” kill scourge? PB is seen as an effective counter to mutas, vikings, and vr at highest level all of which have several times the hp pool of scourge. In what universe are you living in where aa aoe spells “might” kill a 25 hp air unit?

@TerranicII-1450

On the other hand, if you gave Scourge splash they would be blatantly overpowered at those numbers. Zerg’s production capacity makes it far too easy to mass Scourge; and air play does not have collisions, forcefields, terrain, and the numerous other defenses against splash that help keep Banelings from getting out of hand.

They wouldn’t because:
a) you can kite them to death
b) they are incredibly gas intensive
c) air splash exists