Blizzard stated that the video feature has been patched—the reason given for disabling uploads. If that issue is resolved, why is the entire upload function still restricted?
Wouldn’t it be more reasonable to lift the ban now and adjust finer details later if needed?
It’s not finished being patched. It’s had one so far, however it’s not completely resolved yet and work is still being done.
Not if it’s not completely fixed yet.
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The issue is NOT the videos. The issue is the ability to “inject” dependency code wherever and whenever someone wants. This is a much harder fix, and is the ACTUAL issue.
That may be true from a technical standpoint, but wasn’t the real problem the presence of inappropriate videos enabled by injection? It seems Blizzard imposed a blanket upload ban because of the harmful nature of those videos. However, if the system can effectively block such inappropriate content, even if some malicious users still manage to inject code, that would still be a better solution than disabling uploads entirely. Personally, I haven’t seen many actual cases of users being harmed by so-called ‘injections’, whereas the widespread pain caused by the full upload ban is very clear.
No. The issue is the injection itself. The harmful videos only served to force Blizzard to respond, effectively.
With the injection, you can do whatever you want, in any game mode. Want Co-op with infinite Minerals? Piece of cake. Want ranked matches with invulnerable units? Child’s play. Want to replace all assets with a banana? Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
You get the idea. I do not personally know how the exploit/dependency injection works, only that it is possible, and that the issue extends far past “harmful videos in arcade maps.”
The solution is to wait for Blizzard to CORRECTLY fix the issue.
I should note that the “whitelisting” patch did, effectively, nothing. It doesn’t fix any issue. It only slows down “actual” mapmakers, and requires constant intervention on Blizzard’s behalf to whitelist good faith mapmakers.
On that note, publishing was only disabled to stop anyone from “continuing to inject dependencies” so that Blizzard could ban the bad actors. Too bad that accounts are free and publishing rights are effectively free.
I’ve never encountered any of the cases you’re referring to in my own experience with the game. As you mentioned, someone could potentially create scam maps (which isn’t necessarily related to injection) or even use map hacks. But the mere possibility of such behavior doesn’t justify shutting down the entire upload service. Even Blizzard’s own notice clearly stated that the issue was ‘malicious users forcing inappropriate videos onto other players through custom game lobbies’—and that specific problem has already been resolved.
Even Blizzard’s own notice clearly stated that the issue was ‘malicious users forcing inappropriate videos onto other players through custom game lobbies’—and that specific problem has already been resolved.
Yes, because videos are whitelisted. The asset replacing or data “overriding” can still exist, and that’s the “actual” issue. Just because you’ve never encountered it doesn’t mean it can’t or doesn’t happen.
Scam maps aren’t related to the dependency exploit. That’s not what was being fixed. Map hacks “can’t really be fixed” due to the nature of the engine. Neither of those are the issue, so don’t bring them up.
Wait for Blizzard to fix the issue. The publishing block is justified (due to the ACTUAL dependency exploit, not just harmful videos, as previously stated), and it’s not like we have any weight to argue against it.
Let me lay out the logic for you in simple terms:
Action X was taken directly in response to issue a.
Issue a falls under the broader category A.
Issue a has been resolved, and only the remaining issues within category A still persist.
These remaining issues in category A cause harm to users that is comparable to issues in categories B or C.
However, in the past, no action as severe as X has ever been taken in response to issues in categories B or C.
So, is it really necessary to keep action X in place just for the remaining issues in category A?
If you find any part of this reasoning difficult to agree with, please let me know by referring to the corresponding number.
What Biometrix is trying to say is that disabling videos alone isn’t a complete fix. Thus reenabling now has the potential of other facets of a custom map being exploited.
In other words, yes, issue “a” maybe resolved with videos disabled, however, there’s the b, c, d, e, f, etc, etc. All that can be exploited next because the root cause needs more work.
In the end it’s moot anyway. It’s Bliz’s game and they can admin it however they wish.
frankly everyone who is complaining about map editor needs to just chill out and wait. be patient. your all like a bunch of annoying entitled kids stuck in the car for a long drive going, " are we there yet, we demand we get there now." chill out and be patient.
… and as badly as they wish. Most people who play sc2, play arcade, and Blizzard tanked the future of arcade. It’s been almost 2 months now and the eta is ‘we dont want to say because its maybe by next year’ We got the government cov1d reaction, closing everything down, for something that was an insignificant threat.
Also we paid for “their game.” Blizzard would not exist if we didn’t pay for them to exist. The money you live off of came from us. Yet they ignore us, because like a scam artist Blizzard’s thinking is “now that we got their money we dont have to deliver anything and we dont have to care about how they feel about that.”
Some of us enjoyed playing and modding for years. We can’t do that now because of how badly Blizzard has managed this so called crisis. We are not complaining about when the fix is coming out. We’re upset about how poorly they have managed this situation. All they had to do was disable NEW uploads to still allow people to update mods that people have been playing for a long time.
Folks need to make peace with the fact that SC2, paid for or not, is a retired game. The dedicated teams, like development and community, don’t exist anymore. Meaning, the previously dedicated people who made the communication decisions and who relayed the communications don’t exist. That is going to heavily impact communication. It’s not going to be like the actively developed games.
As for judging how it’s admin’d, when it comes from those who aren’t privy to anything about what is needed to fix it, you can see that it holds no weight.
You may be new to Bliz, but ETA aren’t a thing anymore. They used to give them a decade ago, but the less rational in the community didn’t understand what the “E” stood for. In fact, they seemed to think it meant “promise”. And whenever Bliz missed that “promise”, it would create a whole new social media firestorm, on top of the existing one. Plus, it seems that they also couldn’t comprehend that estimates don’t always exist. It’s possible that any studio (and everywhere in life) may not have an idea of how long something will take.
As for being ignored, that’s asinine and I think you know that. There’s been major issues with SC2 since it was retired and Bliz has addressed them, as they are with this current one. Just because it doesn’t happen as fast as players demand doesn’t mean it’s being ignored.
Sorry, CaptTootToot, but you just don’t have the experience and internal info to make these assertions.
As for being ignored, you just gave examples of that very thing when you said “You may be new to Blizzard” and “Sorry, CaptTootToot, but you just don’t have the experience and interal info to make those assertions.” You didn’t read my response to your post in the other main ‘publishing disabled’ thread where I mentioned how “I’ve been modding blizzard games for 30 years.” I dont have the experience? Are you kidding me? I could teach classes on all of Blizzard’s editors. I’ve been watching Blizzard for a long time. Experience is not the issue. The only thing I dont have is the internal info, like, what Blizzard plans to do with their “retired game.” Because it looks like they’re taking it out back to end it.
You have also never responded to the idea that “disable new uploads, but allow people to update what is already uploaded” It’s the best working idea until the patch gets out. Why have you never responded to that?
There are abandoned mods and abandoned accounts. Given how those accounts could become compromised, it would create the same end result as allowing uploads for bad actors if they are dedicated enough.
Modding/using the editor and developing massive multiplayer online video games isn’t remotely the same. So again, you aren’t privy to the goings-on when it comes to any issue with the SC2 client and its various services. Experience and understanding of the precise issue at hand is everything.
And it’s comments like that which relegates you to the group I was referencing above.
Firstly, it’s obvious that Bliz is not “taking it out back” since they’ve been addressing the game breaking issues since retirement, including this one. And 2, I just said that in my previous reply above. Yet you came right back as if neither of those two things are true.
That makes you suspect. Should someone continue trying to educate another when they ignore reality? When they want to keep their fingers in their ears?
Because I have no say in it either way.
But since we’re here, those who make that suggestion demonstrate that they don’t understand how the exploit was executed. That suggestion won’t stop those that who want to execute the exploit again. Additionally, that suggestion assumes that the back-end system has a function that can distinguish between new vs existing uploading.
waaaa cry more like you have been, im sure blizzard will see your tears and they will jump to fix the problem. Seriously your all a bunch a little kids the way your acting with this. Grow up and learn some patience the problem will be fixed, its not like its not being worked on, yet here you are being mr doom and gloom going " oh there shuting down arcade, there not gonna fix it, bla bla bla." For some one whos been around for 30 years editing blizzard maps, you sure act like your a noob who knows nothing about blizzard and the state of sc2, your also acting like your a 5 year old toddler throwing a hissy fit. act your age, have some patience and chill.
It’s too hard to wait like this.
I know MVP is communicating with Blizzard, so can’t you suggest some directions that users want?
Blizzard officially announced and said on Reddit that they are actively trying to participate in future patches, but it’s been 3 days and there hasn’t been any comments yet.
I don’t have any knowledge of development and I don’t know the problems, but I suggest that Blizzard create a publisher whitelist like the map video whitelist.
As we (MVPs) are not employees, it’s not a 100% open communication. Bliz regulates what and how much they tell us. On given subject, sometimes they tell us things, sometimes they tell us nothing. For example, when it comes to this current issue, I know only a tiny fraction more than what has already been said publicly.
As for suggesting things, sometimes we can but it holds the same weight as suggestions from any other community member. In other words, we don’t have any power to make Bliz do anything.
I’m not sure what you are referring to. Was there a post on Reddit 3 days ago?
Sometimes I think it’s better if you, Leviathan, DON’T post on these forums cuz then these nutcases won’t go “whY cAn’T yOU TalK to BlizZaRd DiREcTly.”
Just a minor thought, and an entertaining one at that.