What it is like being a Zerg GM during ProtossCraft II

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ZvZ sets the base line for skill.
ZvP is difficult due to favoring Protoss but manageable.
ZvT is insurable due to high ranked terrans being bumped lower by PvT on top of TvZ favoring Terran.

Thus zergs are demoted from GM en masse while Protoss reigns supreme at 45% of GM.

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I see… so PvT being insanely favoured even affects non Protoss match up because of how hard it screws Terran. Interesting

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Yep. When PvT is horrendously Protoss favored, a Terran who is, for example, 6000 mmr will instead be 5700 mmr. So if you are a 5700 MMR zerg, you will be facing against Terrans 300 mmr more skilled than you are, forcing you down 300 mmr too. Add in a touch of TvZ imbalance, and that’s how you get 45% protoss in GM.

E.g., since Terran is favored against Zerg, Terran will be the most common opponent for Protoss in GM. Since PvT favors Protoss, they dominate GM since PvT will be the most common matchup.

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Can you guys stop spamming the forums with your nonsense?

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No one cares about what you have to say, whiner.

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You have to direct your posts to SaltyProtoss because this account got banned in less than 1 hour.
Mr. Rager is a resourceful specimen.

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I am a Grandmaster with Zerg despite balance being so f’d up that Protoss is 45% of GM and Zerg is 20%.

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If you played Z with your smurf accounts made for the forum maybe you could fill the GM charts with Z accounts.

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Casual ladder own thing pro game zvp z fave

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Which is why I know, for a fact, that Zerg’s performance is much worse than the stats show. The game has literally NEVER been more imbalanced than it is currently. They tried to balance the game on tournament winners when there was a clear disparity in skill. When you buff a balanced race to win from a skill deficit, it becomes imbalanced! Amazing! Who would’ve guessed?

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Protoss will never accept. That protoss is broken. Protoss have dominance of gm for multiple year. But serral win more and more. And zerg get more nerf. And zerg gm goes down and down. And protoss up and up. Sooner blizzard realized. They cannot balance game on serral. Sooner the game can heal!

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I am surprised there aren’t more trolls in here disputing obvious “weak” points. Oh YeAh HoW Do YoU KnOw ZvZ iS a BaSeLiNe FoR sKiLl, etc etc. It’s because they know there is a zero chance of winning this argument. The evidence is overwhelming. Protoss is extremely overpowered.

By the way, mirror matchup performance correlates with non mirror matchups at close to 90% accuracy. That means at 60% ZvZ win-rate I should have between a 54% and 66% win-rate in ZvT and ZvP. ZvP is in that range but very low regardless. ZvT is far outside that range at 41%.

PvZ favors Protoss slightly. TvZ favors Terran slightly. PvT favors Protoss enormously. With Protoss being the only race with both matchups favored, they dominate GM. With zerg being the race underpowered in two matchups, they are the least represented in GM. Since Terran is half and half, they are the middle ground. But, Terran GM representation is a little low because PvT favors Protoss more than TvZ favors terran.

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Or you are just bad at playing ZvT.
Even if your data suggest it, T is not OP, dude.

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Already covered this.

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I know I’ll be heckled for being logical, but let’s just think here:

Because only exactly 1 out of 2 players may ever win a game, every mirror matchup must come to exactly 50% win rate across all players.

This means for all the players with an above 50% WR in ZvZ, there must also be players with below 50% WR in ZvZ.

This means that if you have a 60% ZvZ win rate, there must be Zerg players who you play against who will have a below 50% ZvZ win rate.

This means that you must have above average ZvZ for your MMR, which means you cannot use your 60% ZvZ win rate as a baseline.

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Are you seriously arguing that because there are bronze league zergs with a 15% win-rate that an 80% win-rate in GM wouldn’t be indicative of high skill? Find the switch on the back of your head and turn your brain to the ON position.

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GomTvT was worse, but it was so early it doesn’t count. Balance right now is horribly bad.

Yup. That’s what happens when people think tournament wins somehow measure balance. Straight clown logic.

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Find a single time in the history of the universe that the matchmaker has put a GM against a bronze league.

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It doesn’t matter. ZvZ win/losses have a net sum of zero. You are right about that. But to say that that somehow means that win-rates don’t correlate with skill is sheer, unadulterated lunacy on its face and is also wrong empirically (e.g. according to the facts).

The facts are that a person with X% win-rate in ZvZ (or any other mirror) will have +/- 5% of that for their other matchups, meaning there is a 90% correlation between mirror win-rate and non-mirror winrate. Mirror matchups also measure absolute skill, with no asymmetry (balance) to mess up the measurements.

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h ttp://aligulac.com/misc/balance/
Except Aligulac doesnt agree with you. ZvP has been overall Zerg favored for years. TvZ also shows it is Zerg favored recently. PvT has reverted recently to ~50%. Not to say Zerg is overpowered. I think the data shows that the game is about as balanced as it has ever been.

The GM argument doesnt hold water either. As recently as May/June of 2020 Protoss was the lowest % of GM in Korea and NA. GM numbers jump around pretty erratically but if there is any trend at all over the last year I would say that it does look like a lot Zerg fell out of GM after Broodlord infestor and Nydus got nerfed. You may think those nerfs were unjustified but most of the community and Blizzard disagrees.

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