Trap vs Serral Finals Dreamhack last chance

Winning one game unfairly is all it takes for balance to ruin an otherwise great series.

You are trying to argue with a simpleton that does not understand the cost/benefit of certain decisins.
The clown if in the situation of 16 Banelings attacking one Zealot with a HT nearby…won’t Storm from the fear of hitting the…Zealot.
With such idiots it’s a waste of time to engage.
Ignore the incendiary troll.

You really love spamming yourself everywhere dont you?

Not only that Trap has been on top of the korean ladder for the last few months now. Sitting at 6950+ mmr. Zest at 6700 and Stats at 6500.

But TrAp in truth is a Mid tier Korean rIghT ? Its BecaUse he pLaYs PrOtOsS. The A-MoVe race. I mean toss only performed well in the last 2 months. Terran did well the entire year as well as Zerg. Now Toss wins 1 PvZ finals for the 1st time in 2 years (every other finals was 4-0/4-1 in Z favor) and Protoss is suddenly imbalanced. If we have 4 TvT’s its because T players are better if we have 4 ZvZ its because Z players are better. 1 Player Trap wins a PvZ is because Protoss imba. That toxicity against P is insane.

I mean i don’t know how these people would react if this was HOTS. Where Protoss was actually good and dominant in tournaments against Zerg and against Terran.

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The series were not great,just close, 3 games of Serral doing a 3base attack move with mass low tier units (one of them with pure roach),2 games of skytoss,a counterattack timing with collo (probably the best game) and one game of pseudoskytoss counterattack.

It was a nice series considering it didn’t end 4-0/4-1, something that could have happened if Serral didn’t start failing.But in the sense of actual games, no, it was an average series with lame strats,like watching Rocky 1 fight when Silvester only takes hits with no defense at all and then the series go the opposite, Serral losing in the same way.

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Yeah it was obviously ruined by balance. There was a stark difference in the quality of play and the player with worse play easily won several games.

Serral winning several games in a row with basic pushes queens and swarmhosts?

:pleading_face: Call the :police_car: !

Alternative title:

Serral lost his 37 SERIES winstreak against protoss, protoss obviously IMBA.

Clearly protoss winning a series, let alone a tournament at all means protoss are OP as balls.

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That’s completely false. Serral lost to Showtime on 11/28/2020, breaking a 4 series win-streak.

Yet AlphaStar beat Serral 3-0 before all the monstrous zerg nerfs. Don’t blame balance for what is actually a skill problem. Blizzard banned the world’s best protoss from the majority of tournaments so naturally Serral will win lots of tournaments - there is nobody in EU even close to his skill level.

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Alphastar also did things that normal humans are incapable of doing did you see his blink stalker micro against… I forget who, but alphastar just massed stalkers against immortals and attacked from 3-4 different angles and absolutely demolished the human toss’s army. APM does not = skill.

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The initial versions yes but not the final version in their papers. Their final version mimicked human APM exactly.

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Idk which versions are which when they play against professional players, but Serral who was the undisputed best player in the world at the time of getting beat by Alphastar was saying that Alphastar’s micro allowed it to win fights that no human could ever do. That dunks on your argument that protoss players had room to improve their play. Unless you’re asserting that your opinion is somehow better than Serrals?

Again, the AlphaStar team put restrictions on it to make it behave identically to humans. The APM & reaction times are virtually indistinguishable. Just read their paper.

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Not identically, just similarly. The AI is still not wasting APM like a human player does.

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Prove it. Reality is defined by facts, not by wishes.

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And yet Serral clearly stated that the fights Alphastar was winning were fights that no normal humans could ever do and this was the reaction of many professional players.

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AlphaStar had identical APM / reaction time to humans. “I wish” isn’t a valid argument. Demonstrate how they are materially different or admit that they aren’t.

AlphaStar beat Serral with the APM/reaction time of a typical human player. If professional Protoss can’t do the same, it’s a skill problem.

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So just to be sure, you know better than the pro players that Alphastar beat? You’re asserting that you are a more knowledgable player than Serral etc? Correct?

Batz is ai researcher… LUL.

Pro player is like mechanic. Who think he know more. Than engineers who design the car… XD XD

Forum troll is nascar fan. Who think he know more then mechanic. who think he know more then engineer…