The real problem with Zerg

the amount of wannabe derails in this thread concocted by the Z forum warriors is something the forum moderation should do something with.

except for the Queens BS, i don’t really care if they nerf other aspects of zerg, just give terrans and protoss more ways to counter zerg to allow for a more dynamic mid-late games. just tired of seeing Terrans and protoss being forced to cheese out all-ins early game. that entire cannon/BC rush fiasco is just a sad outcome of the current state of the game.

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Zerg is designed to be ahead on eco in order to be on par in the game. You really don’t understand the game, do you?

That’s the thing, though. It’s hardly just him. Stretch, Ace, Zerk, Batz, literally it’s you and Habits who didn’t bring that up.

The harsh truth is, it isn’t ā€œTerranā€ that whines, it’s literally almost everyone.

And that’s me admitting that the overwhelming majority of Terran players whine, also. Just that as a percentage (and using purely these forums as a metric), they whine slightly less.

I think it’s Protoss that whines the least (again, on average – they still have Playa).

Mr Bourne is deep in false equivalence. For more information see below.

Description of false equivalence

False equivalence is a logical fallacy where there appears to be a logical equivalence (usually in quantity and quality of evidence) between two opposing arguments, but when in fact there is one side has substantially higher quality and quantity of evidence. However, there is no equivalence between the two sides of a ā€œdebateā€ when one is supported by evidence, and the other side has no evidence, or evidence of low quality.

The logical fallacy not only inflates evidence to support a false assertion but also depreciates the evidence on the other side, both in an attempt to make it appear that the arguments are roughly equivalent. In other words, in false equivalence, someone will state that the opposing arguments have a passing similarity in support, when, on close examination, there is large difference between the quality of evidence.

Anecdotes are often used by those who push pseudoscience because they are so compelling and emotional. However, anecdotes are not considered high quality evidence, because they tend to suffer from a whole raft of bias. They also lack scientific and statistical analyses which are hallmarks of scientific evidence. To the pseudoscience community, anecdotes are peer-reviewed, published data.

Here’s the thing boys. Zerg has 4 uses for queens, anti air, inject, creep spread, and healing. You want to redesign and take away the mass queens? Keep queens for inject so it becomes one per base. Give us hydras in tier 1. Make zerg units as a whole either healthier or do just a tiny bit more damage, as queens were used to tank shots or make them fairly cheaper to build. Zerg units are already cheap, but queens help tank shots. And finally the main reason we have 6 or so queens out on the map, creep. Either A, creep spreads on its own over the map without manual input until it reaches 50% of the map covered, then we gotta do it ourselves or B. The hatchery gets the creep tumor spell and has its own energy, tumors are more expensive but make it the same cost as a scan or chrono. With these changes you have less queens, and zerg is still in an ok spot with earlier anti air options that are weaker in health and armor then a queen.

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When are they going to ban you again, so I can have a moment or two of peace and quiet.

That doesn’t refute my argument. I easily got out of diamond league with Terran. What’s stopping you?

I don’t know who you think I am, but from your tone…i am Nemesis.

Nemesis

In ancient Greek religion, Nemesis, also called Rhamnousia or Rhamnusia, is the goddess who enacts retribution against those who succumb to hubris.

But there are a couple of other figure that are after you…Incubus and Sucubus.

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It’s less that these solutions are needed and more that the new issues of AA and Creep spread need to be compensated in some way, which I agree with 150%.

Which is intended. Zerg used to have a stronger eco and terran strong allins, but then blizzard leveled the economies. You can’t have stronger allins with equal eco so those had to be leveled too.

Blizzard developers are LAZY to not revert the evo chamber/spore crawler change. Spore crawlers should need an evo chamber like all other races. Mines aren’t perma invisible anymore.

Since 3 Hatches opener isn’t even greedy, Protoss and Terran need a reasonable way to punish greedy non stop droning and this insane larva efficiency of Spore Crawlers.

Zerg requires no thought. All their tech structures are simply a drone click away. If a Terran going mech forgets an engineering bay and mutas come out its more than likely going to be gg or a rough game. Zerg? Drop spores with no requirement. Zerg has been an easy race for awhile, no wonder pros like TLO switched from Terran to Zerg, he said in an interview that he felt he could do more with Zerg. Funny how that works.

exactly, they require 0 thought, they also can just do the same build against all matchups and be perfectly fine.

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The problem with zerg is queens, just delete queens from the game and all will be fixed.

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