I think disruptor could be made better by forcing Protoss players to actually micro. Replace it with reaver. This would make stuff more like shuttle micro from BW.
It would be kinda different because of WP’s huge range compared to shuttles but BW didn’t have spells like raven disable or viper yoink.
They won’t do it. They removed the flying Siege tank, because ZSerg and Protoss players whined that they couldn’t defend it. I had no trouble defending it as any race, because I’m a Broodwar player and I’m just that good.
Now “Low platinums” cannot defend it, but that’s just because they suck. Toop platinums and above can defend it. So I don’t know why Blizzard removed it. It was an interesting and realistic mechanic.
Wrong, it was mostly T and most of the playerbase being upset by doomdrops, many pro games ended in basetrades,fights were decided by the player who dropped the tanks first.
I never saw that. I saw several GM terrans use them as a one or two tanks harassment, and the GM opponent defended it pretty well and chased it away. I’ve watcched several hundred GM mech games over the years, and literally never once saw a “Doom Drop” with the flying tanks.
I was beating lol platinums with it in 2vs2 as a one base all-in build in LotV, when it was in the game anyway… I just thought of it as Shuttle-reaver micro from Broodwar, and destroyed all their SCVs and units and stuff, because they couldnt’ figure out how to counter it. But that’s NORMAL. A+ players in Broodwar can’t defend my shuttle reaver attacks.
Then you were not watching the games, the TvT meta was about doomdrops, there were plently of sensor towers and turrets every game, just one missposition and the enemy could boost over the turrets and win the game. Nobody liked that, people wanted positional play, not doomdrops.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/5w3ze1/in_the_end_are_you_happy_with_the_removal_of/
You can see that almost everyone was happy about the tankivac removal.
If you actually cared the slightest about having a discussion, you wouldn’t include that in your statement. Just another Toxic Terran Team anti protoss whine thread, from another classic hidden profile terran. Im sure your micro is immaculate and on par with marus. Probably just another F2 stim amover who walks up a ramp into colossus and archons and gets wrecked
I was watching a rank 8 Terran Grand Master and never saw more than one or tow tanks in tankivac situations.
I also watched Avilo, one of the best terran vs terran mech players, who actually BEATS that rank 8 grand master in the Mirror match, and he never made more than one tankivac per game when it was legal, and he wins about 99% o fTerran mirror match games, the only reason he wasn’t ranked higher is he sucks vs Zerg and Protoss GMs.
Broodwar was all about DOOM DROPS, especially TvT and TvP. In TvT everyone had 8 ot 10 dropships and dropped tanks and goliaths on one another, and in TvP, the Protoss eventually got enough arbiters to do Recall drops with 20 dragoons telporting in the terran’s base, and the terran rage quits at that point. And nobody every complained about it, because recall is so hard ofr the protoss to survive to get it that it just means they win if they research recall.
Also, you could have made vikings and shoot down the dropships, and in Broodwar you could have made Wraths or scouts and shoot down the dropships or arbiters.
And no, a turret wall didn’t stop a doom drop in Broodwar either.
If you get doom dropped, so what? You lost the game because you didn’t build enough Vikings in SC2, or didn’t make enough wriaths or Scouts in Broodwar. Scout is one of the BEST units in Broodwar, because it wrecks dropships and shuttles, and yet pro gamers dn’t make them because they are stupid kids.
anywya, SC@, if you lose to a doom drop its because you SUCK and should have made more Vikings or phoenix or corruptors or whatever.
And if Low Platinums can’t defend one tankivac, they wouldn’t be able to defend one Disruptor or for sure one Reaver either. So for middle leagues this change solves nothing, and you know what Protoss mirrro will tur ninto in SC2 if they did put the Reaver in the game? One Reaver vs one Reaver on one base, whoever survives to get a second base wins.
It takes a 3-deep turret wall to stop one Arbiter in Broodwar, but that’s okay, because it costs 100/350 and I think 2 minutes time to warp in, and you need Recall.
It takes a 3 deep turret wall to stop a “Doom Drop” in TvT, OR goliaths on the ground OR BETTER maybe 12 wraiths in the air, but pros dont make wraiths because wraiths get beat by Dragoons or Goliaths in a stand-up fight. The solution to that is don’t get in a stand-up fight with enemy goliaths, kill them while they are in a dropship. Same goes for Scouts, they are better at killing Overlords and other Transports than are Corsairs. Corsairs are better vs LIght Air combat units, but Scouts are better at destroying transports, and scouts can attack workers. The way I beat A+ in Broodwar 9 times out of ten is with a 2 or 3 Scout opener and shoot down their transports, then they rage quit.
The way I beat tankivac ni SC2 when it was in the game, is make a few vikings if T, or Phoneix fi P, and viola, their opponent’s entire build is countered.
Avilo wins when playing against grandmaster players, he loses extremely one sided when playing even retired pro players like beastyqt, so saying avilo is anywhere near a top player is dilusional.
If you doubt me watch:
Or any of the other games beasty and avilo played on ladder wich all ended in beasty winning extremely one sided to the point it wasnt even competetive. Now imagien if avilo played against an active pro player at top level like for example heromarine, clem or maru.
Also if you watch any top level tvt games from tankivac era every single terran flew around with sieged tanks in medivacs and fights was won solely by who dropped their tanks first or got into enemy base.
Pro players never build wraiths in bw?
At asl the wraith is very frequently used in tvt as an opener, mid game transition or sometimes even mass wraith in lategame.
Also in asl i think theres been 1 or 2 scouts ever built because theyre seen as terrible units due to their costs.
Im starting to doubt anything you say holds any weight what so ever because it seems you think you understand this game better than professional players dedicating their lives to it.
So what, sue me for not watching every pro game that ever happpened.
All that means is they aren’t making enough Vikings.
Youre just spewing random nonsense hoping noone corrects you now.
Replying to you further is pointless, almost if not everything you said is wrong.
I have multiple career wins against Prrofessional Broodwar players, including 4You and Gretorp and I’ve beaten G5 one wtime with a Scout opener, and he beat BOXER.
Scout opener wrecks G5 in Broodwar, and it deouble wrecks Gretorp. Now Gretorp was temporarily apro gamer in both Broodwar and SC2, eh wasn’t "best of the best " pro gamer, but he was good enough to be streamed live in the round of 32 and maybe round of 16, I forget. But the point is I actually have a careeer winning record vs Gretorp in Broodwar, and told him he was “too predictable” when I beat him about 9 times out of every ten we played in both 1vs1 and 3vs3…and he was map hacking too, and I still beat him.
If you don’t make scouts vs Terran in Broodwar, you must suck.
BTW, about a year after I beat G5 with a scout opener, he made scouts against GoRush and trashed him for the same reason I beat him with Scouts: They’re awesome vs Transports.
As for Wraiths in Terran vs Terran, every time I’ve seen a pro gamer make wraiths in TvT in Broodwar, the commentagor MOCKED them and they eventually lost the game, because they don’t know how to use Wraiths correctly.
You’re half right about Scouts though, they actually are more expensive than they should be. Their mineral cost should be reduced by 50 minerals, and their gas cost should be increased by 25 gas, then they’d be more playable in a wiider variety of roles. Btu they aren’t “bad units” when used correctly.
With proxy shield battery, you can harass a Terran and force him to mass missile turrets, and then that offsets the high mineral cost of the Scouts. And Proxy Shiled batteries is useful a few minutes later when you start building the “God composition” with omni-tech protoss, so if you proxy in a hidden location, you can rotate carrier sand dragoosn and zealots and heal them with the shield batteries, and do a few rounds of rolling retreat micro ,and that will stomp any Terran composition, but it starts with a scout opener. You need a few dragoons and Zealots to stop the “Flash push” in case that comes, but if the T is going for dropships, scouts will WRECK him.
If my micro were on par with maru’s I would be in GSL, not wasting my time talking to PPP trolls on this forum.
Yours is a laughable response. I play Protoss at the same MMR as I do Terran, except I don’t have to micro. At all. Also, I don’t consider stimming and walking up a ramp to be micro, but it’s telling how much micro Protoss have to do if this is their idea of what micro is.
Also who walks into an army that will automatically kill them lmao??? Maybe Terrans in your platinum league do that, but of course I wouldn’t know because I’m not in plat and if I were I wouldn’t be making balance complaints, as metal league players don’t know what they’re talking about (exemplified by all your posts on this forum).
Flagged for Slander/Personal attack.
What did i say to you thats a personal attack/slander?
sorry, I re-read my post. It’s not deleted, I don’t know what happened but it diddn’t show up earlier.
Accsuing someone of any wrong-doing without evidence is slander, doesn’t matter if it’s as simple as accusing someone of being a liar or “spouting nonsense” as you did.
I’ll take an Oath to God that what I’m saying is th etruth, by the way.
Everything i said can be easily proven right or what i claim youre wrong on is easily proven wrong:
Wraiths in broodwar tvt just look at almost any asl tvt and you will see them fairly often.
Avilo not being top level tvt already proven with his game vs beasty or you can watch nation wars games.
Scouts not being used at top level again watch asl tvp.
Everything you said about tankivacs is just wrong and any tvt game at top level when tankivacs existed is proof of that.
Anything else i missed?