Scouts are actually pretty much never used, but that’s because there are better, cheaper options. They exist mainly as
→ oh god oh god i’m being cheesed/rushed/all-inned i need army units and i only have a stargate
→ anti capital ship (carrier/bc)
→ bm
because there are other units that can do what the scout does but better and your resources have to be pretty sharp.
Not only that i find avilo to be a repulsive person in general. He’s not even that good in StarCraft Beasty has commented about his deficiencies before. He really is quite a troubled person.
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I didnt’ at all defend Avilos bad manners and raging, and I sure as heck woudln’t defend him allegedly stalking and harassing a woman. So don’t mix up the fact hw was amiddle tier GM vs his bad manners.
He’s better tha nanyone on this thread anyway. I’ve actually played him in Broodwar TvT and he beat me there pretty convincingly.
I only mentioned him because he’s definitely “better than anyone on this thread” and I already know he’s never been above round of 32 in a pro trounament, so don’t put words in my mouth or suggest that I was in any way supporting his personality. I don’t watch his streams any more because I got sick of all the bad manners and raging and stuff, and that was before I found out about the stalking women problem.
If the Allegations are true, He should do prison time, not jsust getting banned from a game, btw.
Look, Search G5 vs GoRush, I think it was 2009. G5 beat GoRush badly with a Scouts opener AFTER he saw me trash himslef and Gretorp with a Scouts opener. Before he met me, G5 never used Air Units in 1vs1.
Scouts have more DPS vs air than Corsairs, UNLESS the Corsairs are hitting 3 or more targets simultaneously, which almost neve rhappens, since you can split your air unit svs corsair splash and avoid that.
Scouts hav ethe hiight damag eper packet vs air of any unit in Broodwar, at 2x14+1, and they have the highest rate of fire of anything other than Marines and Hydralisks vs air.
Tehir ground weapon sucks, I admit, but it’s better than a Corsair not havign a Ground weapon at all.
And the nly thing better at killling Capital Air than a Scout is a Wraith, because Wraiths doing 1x20+2 ,k which penetrates Capital Armor better than 2x14+1, and more improtantly the wraiths cloak. But Scouts are definitely worth if if you even remotely think your opponent is opening with transports or else tech swapping to capital air. That’s how I beat ranked players in Broodwar.
I admit Scouts are slightly too expensive, but the ground weapon is the real problem. The air weapon is fine for it’s present cost. The Ground weapon needs to do two packets of damage at present cost.
well, I wasn’t trying to put words into your mouth I was just commenting about what I think about him. Without really looking at the conversation you had beforehand.
No you mentioned him as one of the best players, aka one of the best in the game or world wich is objectively false.
The skill of people in this thread is irelevant when discussing what players are doing at top level wich you have been wrong about with everything you said so far.
His behaviour as a person is irelevant so all you mentioned regarding this can just be ignored for this discussion regardless of how bad he is as a person.
2009 scbw is not same as 2020 scbw, the game has been figured out alot more and in the current state where players understand it alot more scouts are not used. No matter how much of an arguement you make that it works on your level or it was considered good in the past the fact still stands that at the top level of 2020 starcraft broodwar noone really uses them in any matchup because they dont find them good enough.
Pretty much this summarises scouts fairly good in current iteration of scbw top level.
“DontDoThat” is a code S Broodwar player, and he uses a 2 Wraith rush as Terran, but he has 350Average APM as Terran and SICK worker managemant to get the time and money to get the fastest possible 2 wraith rush, and yes he wrecks Zerg with a 2 wraith rush.
I think wraiths are under-rated by pro gamers, and I still say Scouts are under-rated. Nobody used Scouts in 2006 when I beat G5 either, but the fact remains he beat full time pro gamers with scout openings after I taught him a lesson in 2006. The replay sare somewhere in BAttlefreports archives too, because I uploaded my wins of TadStryker and Gretorp and G5, because I beat them all using the exact same opener, een after they saw me beat Gretorp with ith, they tried a different opener, and I beat them anyway.
Again, you can harass a Terran’s workers and force him to make a lot of missile turrets, and by then you have the “God composition” and just crush him with Dragoons, carriers, Ht, and Arbiters.
Scouts actually have the correct HP per cost ratio (0.5) and Damage per cost vs air compared to Wraiths and Mutalisks. What sucks about them is their damage vs ground, which again should be two packets, not one packet.
You knwo, once in a while, the Ladder should match you against the Number 1 player from a lower league, just to see if he can pull off an upset. I’ve won all sorts of games against Masters and Diamond players who were honestly “better than me” but becaue I identified a flaw in their play style, I was able to pull off the upstet.
You never know who could beat a SC2 pro gamer. If I could beat Gretorp and G5 in Broodwar, even though it was 2006, I could bea ta SC2 pro gamer too, just gotta counter him in the right way.
I have replays on Battlereports archive from beating Diamond and Masters players in 1vs1 and 2vs2 in SC2, like “A Masters goes down 2 some cheese” or “A Diamond gets KO’d” or whatever I called the replays.
Look, I’m not going to argue any more about this. Don’t knock it till you try it.
Play Protoss in Broodwar, and go 2 gateways expand into 1 Stargate, and you eat Terran for lunch. Then around 3rd base timing, ninja 3 more stargates and ninja Fleet Beacon to get 4 stargates to make 6 carriers really fast while you make 12 zeaots, 12 dragoons and 12 HTs with Storm and a few Arbiters. Keep the 3 scouts alive the entire game and use them late game to “spike” science Vessels. This will beat ANY Terran composition.
Try it yoruself in SC Remastered, and you’ll find out I know what I’ mtalkin gabout, and you’ll improve a league or two immediately by doing this every game. It works against Zerg too.
That’s what Wade does. He lies about rank and level of play then proceeds to make claims about strats that pro/GM/S level players don’t actually use or don’t use in the way claimed. He’s wrong on every single point. He just likes to lie
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Everything he says is pure nonsense that is based on his own anecdotal evidence wich is not even aplicable to top level despite claiming it is.
I could swear this guy is a troll, but i think hes just got a really inflated ego.
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Absolutely false you maniac. You’ve been corrected on this before!
Slander is knowingly making false statements about someone to explicitly damage their reputation/career! If the person is making a statement based upon YOUR ACTIONS or has any reason to believe their statements are true, then their words are not slander!
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Care to play a friendly game of Broodwar?
I haven’t played competitively in 4 years, except two games on Blood bath an da few Fighting Spirit games.
Play me on Python and I’ll even tell you what I’m doing. I’m going to open with 3 scouts. I can’t play above 65 APM any more due to neurological disease, but I’m probably still good enoguh to beat you trash noobs.
I play ANY of you in a real game 1vs1 on Python in Broodwar, and I’ll even tell you what opener I’m using. 2 gate 1 Stargate into Scouts.
I don’t lie, because unlike other religious hypocrites, I actualy believe lying is a sin agains thte real God that actually exists.
What do you think the purpose of his and the other guy’s posts were? Oh yeah, ad-hominem to make everyone else hate me.
Anyway, to stop tankivac all you needed was vikings, it’s not even that good of a strategy.
I guess there are some posters here with legal background (DankTemplar and possibly Kelthar)…
They can separate the wheat from chaff.
But still i guess that definition tells it all…
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Is that much different than now? Instead of tank doom drops, most pro TvT still end in a base trade in which the winner is the first to get bio doom dropped into the opponents main.
what would this prove?
Wich of youre statements would you being better than us in broodwar prove?
Youre strategies working at our level does not mean theyre viable at top level.
That you even believe this would prove anything how delusional you are.
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Youre doing that yourself by accusing people of slander just for disagreeing and spewing your opinions based on anecdotal evidence as facts.
Why did you not win any premiers since you knew the game better than any terran in the world back then?
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Yes, overall the strategic positional play is more well received than until control, people always wanted strong tanks, positional play. With tankivacs tanks couldn’t be buffed, game was about reaching fast certain points and abuse the tankivacs, then the doom drop risk that were defended with another doomdrop or a doomdrop counterattack.
With tankivac gone,the game returned to its roots, positional play with strong tanks. Look current TvT, is really nice, players fight for the positions with ravens and siege-unsiege.Old TvT was about evading enemy and dropping the tanks as fast as possible, direct fights were won by the player who dropped the tanks first.It was pure and unadulterated David Kim, terrible damage, speed and action everywhere, think about it, fliying siege tanks with boosted medivacs, it was a ridiculous concept.Imagine you can load broodlords into nydus, a slow siege unit loaded into a fast unit.
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Reavers are 100X times more broken than disruptors, scarabs directly travels to enemy units by its own and seeks out the target, you wouldn’t need to even need to control it. Bio would be dead if reavers were back. Unless you mean scarabs costs money AND needs to be controlled by the player like purification nova?
What is needed is the deletion of the unit disruptor at the bare minimum for Protoss nerfs.