No actually, what im saying is that this game is near impossible to balance correctly and because of that blizzard needs to focus on making sure there is equal representation in tournament winners even if it means buffing/nerfing slightly and constantly to make sure it happens.
Perfect balance is never going to happen so we need to stop pretending that its realistic.
Itâs unfair that we see Protoss over representations in the RO32/16 and GM
If its that unfair then why are you still here?
I literally quit the game because I was tired of this stuff, so please donât talk to me about unfair.
I like how you canât admit Protoss is over represented in some areas. Your mindset of complaining is why you quit, not because of irrelevant pro results.
I quit because of the lack of pro results in tournament finals.
Iâm not even really trying to argue here, Iâm just asking you to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has played protoss and has had to watch tournament after tournament since the start of the game with only T/Z.
Protoss doing well in ro32 or gm or whatever doesnât matter as much to me. Obviously we care way more about who wins tournaments or else some of us wouldnât have quit the game over it.
If protoss use it itâs a gimmick.
If Terran is a timing attack.
Iâm sort of surprised, havenât finished reading the whole thread yet, but the back and forth about warping into enemy main, but no real mention of the thing that letâs you do that: the Warp Prism
Just reduce the speed that prism warps in units, yeah? If you canât/donât notice the prism in your base doomwarping for 11 seconds, you probably deserve some sort of punishment. Thatâs how Terran drops work, right? Only much faster, because thereâs no 11 seconds unload time, and you canât warp in immortals, or any robo tech, thru the prism.
Anyone want to make a mod? Idk I think it seems like an obvious answer, rather than calling warp gate gimmicky.
Literally warping in buildingsâŚ
GimmickyâŚ
Grumble
Garbage race has the most players in the top 10. Interesting take 
Yeah, stretch, she only wants protoss buffs and nothing else ever again.
You are literally one of the lowest quality posters, you and Velitey and one or two barcodes bring literally nothing to the forum. I wish you were better. Entertaining, or educational, but youâre like some grumpy old man, sitting on his porch, arguing with his neigh b or about what would have happened back in 54 if the coach had put you in and then you would have won state or gone to national, or if Carter had never been elected then how much better the country would be, or how bad the kids are these days these their rock music and dancing.
Jeez, give it a rest some days =(
Participation awards are useless, no thank you.
Forced equal representation is plain idiotic. How could you even be happy knowing you won because they forced it for you because it was âyour turnâ? Thatâs pathetic.
Thats whats happening now though, the only reason zergs/terrans are the only one winning tournaments is because the way the game is designed protoss seems to be unable to compete at the highest highest levels.
Assuming âskillâ is equally distributed itâd be incredibly unlikely for protoss to have won so little tournaments due to chance.
Protoss probably has some players that are as good as the dominant terran/zergs, but they just dont win tournaments because the race is gimped.
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Nope and nope. Pure roach and roach/hydra arenât common comps in ZvP. If you donât know anything about the match up why comment on it?
Hey guys! Prince lost his GSL group. I guess thatâs because Protoss is too weak.
100% agree. Right now when youâre watching a random PVZ, you instantly think its the Zâs game to lose. Same for PVT at a high level. Almost everything in the protoss army is crazy expensive as compared to equivalent units for the other races.
Yeah. Everything on the ground is weak to nydus swarm hosts and free units or to campy lurkers and untouchable viper yoinks. Thatâs what he lost to. Maybe prince is bad. Or maybe nydus swarm hosts/lurkers/vipers are broken like everyone whoâs not a zerg player says they are. Of course he could drop a 300/200 fleet beacon and begin making 275/150 tempests or 350/250 carriers as the swarm hosts are pelting his nexus but do you really think itâd have made a difference?
Top 10 where? What did i miss? Protoss wasnt overrepresented on aligulac elo System for ages (in fact they are heavily underrepresented for agesâŚ). But yeahâŚwhatever fits Your narrative.
Aligulac is flawed, there are ways to inflate your MMR and other issues so it has to be taken with a grain of salt.
In what way is it flawed? I mean yes You cant take anything for 100% real but top 10 aligulac Rating is pretty accurate. How it cant be ? It simply calculates how You are doing in tournaments and values the skill of Your opponents. Besides aligulac doesnt value Your MMR right ?
That serral is longtime Leader by far and dark maru inno reynor are all at the top and close to each other is exactly what we would expect or not? Because thats exactly what we see in tournaments.
Let me give you an example.
Elo, Glicko, Truewin and the Aligulac rating only take into account the wins/losses of each player. So if we have 3 players, lets say Jaedong, Flash, and Bisu that each have an advantage over one other player (for example, flash always beats jaedong, jaedong always beats bisu and bisu always beats flash) then which player is better? Because of the way Elo/aligulac works then it wouldnât matter if flash beats jaedong 100 games if he loses to bisu 100 games. In the end they would all have the same exact rating.
Now why does it matter if they have the same rating? Well because the way that you judge which player is âfavoredâ is by the difference in their ratings, so despite the fact that we know jaedong will always beat bisu, the rating system will give bisu 50% of a chance of winning the game.
Another issue that arises would be if bisu plays flash 200 games and won 200 games, and flash played jaedong only 100 games, because bisu has a higher win/loss ratio than flash and jaedong, then it would keep giving him points repeatedly, inflating his rating. In other words, inflation can occur if a player keeps playing against people he knows he will win against and avoids games against people he always loses against.
Another issue is that decay is not really worked out, if you go and look at the leaderboard you will see a lot of players that dominated for a long time and then quit as soon as they started doing poorly. Despite the fact that these players have not played in ages and would get wrecked now if they played, they are ranked pretty high.
There are a lot of other issues.
How is that relevant in this Case? Look at top 10 aligulac and point out which Player is actually inactive (despite btw serral got thrown out a few months ago because he actually didnt play a tournament in ages)
I am not saying the System doesnt have flaws. But in my eyes at least the top 10 ranking is correct or would You say otherwise? Thats why i initally asked him which top 10 ranking he referred to because there are not that many and aligulac seem to be accurate about top 10.
My point was also about protoss not having a star Player. Which is very much correct. Terran and zerg both got plenty and are led by maru and serral. Protoss got no one on top. Which is represented by this top 10 list and by tournament results (tho protoss is fine on mid tier pro level)
I am stating this in support of you actually, I donât like that people have pointed to winrates and rankings in the past to make balance claims in the past when things are obviously broken. The system is flawed and people need to consider the information there along with things like tournament performances.