You dont Adress any Points anymore. So i get the Feeling you have nothing Important to say and you forfeit the Argument. You failed to Show any Metric to make the Point that terrans should achieve more than they do right now. You confuse the distribution of Players, which is heavily flawed by Players preference, with ingame difficulty or Balance.
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Sentry whenever he argues with bourne about SC2. h ttps://youtu.be/51NIQ0xx4aA?t=80
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It do be Like that. My brain is melting.
The question is who is who. 
“The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, craps on the board, then struts around like it won the game.”
Literally could not construct a better metaphor
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You conviently left Out the Rest of my Response asking you to state Something that is Worth considering.
But you still rather personally Attack me rather than adressing anything. This basically means you are Double down on your decision to forfeit.
Its Like ingame terran: you fought 10 minutes with 100 supply less than your opponent thinking you can win while the Battle was Long lost. Now that you See it you lift your buildings and fly Them to the Corner.
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Please. As if i am Not almighty compared to THAT (pointing in the General direction of Bourne)
My dude I’ve given you all the metrics you need to work with. You want me to summarize?
My points:
- Terran has far lower average MMR increase per game played averaged out across the entire SC2 population.
- When examining the Terran vs the other two races, their player base has no discernable differences, on average, at least none that are measurable
- Every professional SC2 player with an opinion on the matter says Terran is the most difficult
Your points:
- Terran players have to be casual because I know a guy and he plays Terran and he’s casual
- If you split players up by MMR, they have the same MMR
- But, Eliwan agrees with me!
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Ah ok. If they say it it certainly means that those terrans who are in silver are struggling because terran is super hard. Got you
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Are they wrong? Meanwhile you’re right?
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Do pro players refer to silver players? Do they?
Would be cool if you gave us a source
Hence they deserve to be where they are, i guess? Silver terrans in silver are in fact not better than silver protoss/zerg. Thats what the metrics suggest.
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Answer the question.
YOU provided most many of the sources… You just didn’t check their conclusions before you did
They play the same amount and have equal or more experience but they deserve less MMR?
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Then provide the source. Go ahead.
Its an indirect answer. They dont refer to silver players so i dont know why you actually make the statement that some pro players say terran is the hardest. what does that mean anyway? 
In which way, why, where? Globally? Does it affect low leagues? We dont know because they dont say. Or…you convienently leave this information out ^^
this is the problem of professionals not elaborating themselves. its not like their words mean nothing but we dont know how they mean it. if we had an elaborate assessment with arguments then surely we need to listen to those experts. if you cannot give me a single pro explaining what they mean its basically worth next to nothing.
They play the same amount and get awarded with the same mmr. Its just that the players distribution is different. If you calculate avg mmr like a preschooler (you) you will see that t has less mmr. But this doesnt tell us the whole story.
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So are they right that Terran is the hardest race? Or are they wrong that Terran is the hardest race, but you are the one who truly understands Starcraft on such a deep level?
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Nope, but at least im explaining something and dont say things just based on authority fallacy.
They could be, but we dont know because they dont elaborate. They could mean terran is harder on pro level (which is their likely statement) or they could mean terran is noticeably harder on casual level (unlikely statement)
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i know what you meant but look carefully: these are contradictory
Point 1 indicates basically that bronze players are not competitive against grandmasters, because there are more terrans in that league as a percentage of their population. i sure would hope that this is true.
Point 2 is something we all agree on as ~fact.
Point 3 is a lie? Sentry’s mostly addressed this.
Terran players have to be casual
nobody said this, lol
what was said was that
a. there are a disproportionate number of bad/casual players of one particular race
b. however, because terran has multiple mechanics that naturally appeal to players who are new/bad/casual; we do not find this to be suspicious or weird.
If you split players up by MMR, they have the same MMR
yes; and when you divide a population by a metric before performing an average, you eliminate the bias of the population having extraordinary top- or bottom-weighting
the thing is, if the hypothesis to which this sectioned average was a reply to was true, this piece of evidence would not have been true, because the claim given then was closer to “terran has lower mean-average mmr indicates they’re not playing on even field”
this is exactly it
“terran is the hardest race” (end of sentence) is an opinion
yes, it’s an opinion backed by their expertise and context, but i’ve never heard anyone actually outline any reasons why they think this
because they don’t want to, or because they don’t actually believe it that much, or because it’s not an interesting thing to them to think about, or because it’s an off the cuff answer, or because they’re crowd-baiting
it could be just because they’re thinking about something in specific is hard; and that’s an entirely different statement, and it’s almost certain that they, being professional players, are referring to things in their comparatively little scene
a scene that does not well-reflect ladder nor should it necessarily.
I will maintain, fairly vehemently, that professional players who say that Terran is the hardest are arguing this from a fairly constrained point of view. Specifically, things like
1. Playing that race in professional play.
2. How dramatic making a mistake affects you: build-dependent, but early on, losing 12 Zerglings or 3 Zealots could easily mean nothing but losing 6 Marines or 3 Hellions could easily be a disaster, despite those all representing 300m/6f of unit. Terran has the worst overall time when reproducing meaningful numbers of its basic units.
3. How easy making mistakes is. Zerg and Terran both have many very squishy units, so mismanaging them for just three seconds can make many die. Protoss units are mostly far bulkier and have an on-average better time when managed less.
4. How ruthless players at/near their level are due to their advanced game sense. They know if something was real or fake and have a very keen ability to know the game state despite hidden information.
5. How populated it is - showtime and lambo have quotes of witty natures that boil down to “playing into terran is hard because there’s not enough good ones to practice against”. They understand it less so of course they think of it as harder, it’s more black-box and they don’t know-know super rigidly why.
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“Compared to the other races it’s way harder to get to the top level”
So are you at least admitting that it’s hardest at the M2 or so level up into GM?
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I’m not gonna read all that nonsense. Brevity is a virtue.
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Tldr
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Thanks for attending my ted talk.
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Maybe. But we need real arguments and elaborate explanations and not your “BuT ShOwTiMe SaId…”
But its kinda funny that you are desperate that i somehow say that terran is harder in some context. Its really really important to you cute.
I mean its kinda weird that you are diehard to believe that terran is harder because of avg mmr that got dragged down by a bunch of silver league noobs
What if in counter strike the average K/D of lets say the AK gets dragged down because its obviously the most common weapon for noobs, but also for pros. But because there are so many more noobs and pros actually do buy other weapons as well you might say “hey! the AK is actually a bad weapon because of the average K/D”
Thats about the same argument. But who the F cares about new players that really arent experienced at all?
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