Premier tournaments winrate in LOTV expansion

[thrasher-1486]

@Adventurer-16000863

Hey abs. How high does your mmr have to be in order to give +111 points to a 4700 protoss?

Is Parting ranking up a new account on NA again?

[Adventurer-16000863]

Fun fact if you spam f10 n over and over on the loading screen, there is about a 1 in 5 chance the game hangs in a draw. Who could’ve known. Thanks protoss, helping blizzard find ui bugs in sc2.

[thrasher-1486]

You wouldn’t have to f10n so many games if you stayed in diamond league

[Adventurer-16000863]

Mmr is free to guys like me. It doesn’t matter. I am like Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcumUOiCLXA&t=40s

[thrasher-1486]

Like Jesse Pinkman in season 6, stuck in a cage with only Protoss opponents to choose from.

h ttps://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/971/cover2.jpg

[Adventurer-16000863]

@thrasher-1486

Like Jessie Pinkman in season 6, stuck in a cage with only Protoss opponents to choose from

Exactly. These protoss supremacists got me locked up to manufacture mmr for them. It’s how they dominate the illegal mmr market. My buddy Walter is gonna jailbreak me soon & I can retire to peacefully play another game somewhere far away from these protoss supremacists & my dark history.

[llllllllllll-12402]

@Adventurer-16000863

It’s just cheating at this point, like hacking. They pretend they can’t understand how GM representation is significant. They know. Nobody is that dumb.

It’s not just GM representation. Nothing means anything. Things don’t mean things. Non-macro APM means nothing. APM means nothing. Screens/Sec means nothing. No performance metric means anything. MMR per game means nothing. GM representation means nothing. Major and minor tournaments mean nothing.

Things don’t mean things, Batz. Oh, except for the 5 players that won Premiers. That means everything. God, you’re just such a whiner. Can’t you understand how a sample size of 5 is what’s truly representative?

[Adventurer-16000863]

@llllllllllll-12402

It’s not just GM representation. Nothing means anything. Things don’t mean things. Non-macro APM means nothing. APM means nothing. Screens/Sec means nothing. No performance metric means anything. MMR per game means nothing. GM representation means nothing. Major and minor tournaments mean nothing.

Things don’t mean things, Batz. Oh, except for the 5 players that won Premiers. That means everything. God, you’re just such a whiner. Can’t you understand how a sample size of 5 is what’s truly representative

Fun fact, it’s very hard to convince someone to believe something stupid, but it’s very easy to convince them that you believe something stupid. “Protoss? Dominating? Nah I hadn’t noticed. I actually thought protoss could use some buffs. Doesn’t zerg win all the tournaments?”

[Hallo-2564]

@Miro-11607

4 nerfs - Alert, targeting, radius, drilling claw requirement. 3 of those are fine; they make it much easier to play against. The splash radius shouldn’t have been nerfed, however.

sure…
revert to the bane nerf -5HP and upgrade scaling. instead of making bane greener, or shining. with a alert when near worker, because then you can react.
Bane problem solved.

@Asamu-1302

how strong those queen walks were.

oh no zerg has a pre hive pressure option! remove it, just like hatch drop lord.

@Asamu-1302

When ahead, banelings in mass can press that advantage quickly, which is very powerful, regardless of whether or not it’s efficient.

zerg has a tool to put pressure on opponents when he is ahead. Remove, only Terran/Toss may pressure if they are ahead or equal or behind. but not Zerg.

@Asamu-1302

When they get those high efficiency trades, it can, and often does, very quickly snowball a game.

doesn’t that apply to many units blink? BC? SH?disruptor?

[guyzamiester-1851]

Okay, bit nerdy, but I’m going to find fun changes that got nerfed after David Kim left. I’m guessing around patch 4.0

1. Overlord drops moved to Lair
2. (you’ll hate this) mothership core removed.

Edit: Just saw, that’s the patch where the Shield Battery got brought in. Co-incidience?

Holy smokes, patch 4.0 was good for Toss and bad for Zerg. 6 months after DK left I think.

[llllllllllll-12402]

REALLY bad for Terran IIRC. That was when they started to delete the Raven

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

It’s not a difficult thing to comprehend, it’s just stupid and wrong

5 different Guys understood it and explained it to you. You being unable to understand it (or you Just dont want to understand it so you dont have to admit defeat) is Not my Problem.

@llllllllllll-12402

So then do you at least admit Terran has by far the worst scouting

No? Why would i. Please prove that terran has the worst scouting. Im curious to See your Paper.

[Sentry-2358]

@Miro-11607

Except, and follow me on this - everything that protoss hates has also been nerfed as well. Lurkers, ghosts liberators, banlings, mines

Yes. Obviously. I have mentioned that. But as i also mentioned: this has nothing to do with the sudden rise of protoss in GM after 2018. This was a very sudden rise while protoss got a series of nerfs while being somewhat unplayable If you want to do Something other than cheese or all in, which they also nerfed shortly after. Of course 2020 happend and while it was the Most Boring era of sc2 it was actually one of the Most balanced eras of sc2. It got worse for protoss again and now its pretty even again.

Again: only because the Game was slowly getting fixed over time doesnt explain the rise of protoss in GM. Neither was any new Style introduced to protoss meaning bournes Argument of protoss being hard to Play to being easy to Play Just doesnt make Sense at all. Not one Bit. Nothing and thats hilarious.

[llllllllllll-12402]

@Sentry-2358

No? Why would i. Please prove that terran has the worst scouting. Im curious to See your Paper.

@Sentry-2358

5 different Guys understood it and explained it to you. You being unable to understand it (or you Just dont want to understand it so you dont have to admit defeat) is Not my Problem.

5 different guys teamed up to post not one single metric despite me prompting them a multitude of times across 2+ years. When you couldn’t come up with one, you stratified one metric and called it a day (still Terran had lower avg MMR tho, lol).

[thrasher-1486]

@Sentry-2358

Neither was any new Style introduced

Proxy nexus won a game in GSL.

[Sentry-2358]

@thrasher-1486

Proxy nexus won a game in GSL

Wasnt that the sos Game ?

[Sentry-2358]

@llllllllllll-12402

still Terran had lower avg MMR tho,

Where is your Paper on how does that mean anything ? Where is your Paper on why terran has the worst scouting

@llllllllllll-12402

When you couldn’t come up with one

I actually gave you one. Despite terran Players being more or less active as the other races its still a fact that Bronze Players Play less than silver Players who Play less than Gold and so on. And again within each League terran is still as active as the other races meaning the terrans are where they are because they deserve to be where are.

For reference they right now make Up 35% of the Pop and Play 35% of the Matches.

And If anyone thinks Activity actually a weak Argument and pretty BS then i actually agree with you. Its Just the only Argument that Bourne considers to be Important so i’ll Go by that. It wouldnt surprise me at all that People could Play zerg less active and be better than some terrans Just because we cannot assume the Same starting Point for both Players.

[abs-2628]

Yes that was me 3 years ago. Long time ago.

I was mostly complaining about cannon rush which was super prevalent at that time to the point that 40% of all protoss opponents did this to me on ladder. Then i learned how to deal with it and i had no more problems defending it.

Same with you. You complain about certain protoss strategies you cannot beat. Guess what ? Team up with some zergs better than you - 5.5k - 6k MMR. I’m pretty sure they can give you replays or some advices how to beat those pesky tosses and then you will cry no more. How about that ? Everyone sucks at something. It is no shame to admit that.
Instead of crying like a little girl how about you improve and get better at the game ? Ever tried working hard ? Then do it, smash those tosses, come back and thank me later. Shouldn’t be a problem for a guy who can get 6k “so easy it’s boring”.

[Asamu-1302]

@Miro-11607

Carriers and Battle Cruisers actually have the same production time prior to chronoboost (64 seconds). With 2 chronoboosts, that’s down to roughly 44 seconds.(chronoboost lasts 20 seconds, does 1.5x the work during those 20 seconds, making it roughly equal to 30 seconds of production time, hence chrono for 20 seconds twice should put the carrier at around 60/64 seconds, leaving 4 seconds left over)

True, though BCs are also much stronger than carriers. It’s the difficulty of transition due to their lack of don’t synergy with bio and tech-lab requirement that keeps them mostly out of the meta (The whole reactor vs tech lab thing was, IMO, a mistake in basic design; it hurts Terran’s ability to transition too much).
And looking at other units, such as colossus, voidrays, etc… the Protoss production times do tend to be longer.

You also can’t really chrono out units consistently anyway; there just isn’t enough nexus energy for that (even with the energy that gets floated in the late game).

@Adventurer-16000863

“Trust us, we’re aware of our biases”

**protoss dominate literally every statistic except premier tournament finals **

“The baneling nerf was justified!”

In premiere tournaments, they don’t dominate win rates or 2nd/3rd/4th place finishes either. Even excluding Serral/Maru, Protoss win rates in premiere tournaments are notably lower than T/Z.

The baneling nerfs did have solid reasoning behind them, reasoning some top Zerg players agreed with. Whether or not you think they were justified is a matter of opinion.

@guyzamiester-1851

Biggest problem is that, while I respect both Artosis and Tasteless, they don’t actually play the game like we do. Sure, banelings are good if you have 400 apm. They nerf them because top tier pros can mass 100. The pro deserves to win if they are that good. Then it ruins ladder for the rest of us.

Eh, banelings are likely better the lower on the ladder you go, since micro is worse, and it takes more micro to play against them than to use them.

For players on ladder, the issue is more likely the judgement on when to make them and what fights are taken. What units to make in what numbers at what time is generally the hardest part of playing Zerg relative to T/P, since it requires consistent scouting and to correctly identify what’s seen - Zerg’s flexible production is double edged in that it also makes it extremely easy to over-produce the wrong units or workers, which isn’t an issue for Terran/Protoss with their more structured/restricted production.

[llllllllllll-12402]

And then I immediately proved that it was only that the margins were to small to show the differences. Terran players’ slightly higher activity was evenly distributed across all the leagues, meaning a Terran Silver player plays slightly more than a Protoss Silver.

Again, you only stratified the data and proved that Terran players are roughly the same as Protoss and Zerg, but they’re still at a massive MMR disparity.

Then I link your own professional players telling you that Terran is the hardest and you reject that, too…

Just face it, nothing was ever going to convince you. I’m certain, because I misspoke before, you actually did provide metrics before. Metrics that I then immediately proved supported my case. Metrics you then immediately disavowed because they hurt your little feelings.