Terran late game is stronger than Protoss late game thanks to BCs, ghosts superior sim cities, ability to repair, orbitals, etc.
Terran’s economy is not weaker at all points in the game and when Terran economy is “weaker” than Protoss’ it’s often at times when Terran army can wipe the floor with the Protoss army - a dynamic allowed by mules; this is seen especially in the early-mid game and the ultra late game.
The idea that Terran has weaker scouting is absurd when they are the only race in the game that can guarantee themselves a scout lmao
Adepts (and stalkers) are strong in the early game in TvP but youre greatly exaggerating their capabilities while at the same time severely underplaying the potency of banshees and liberators. Stats himself, the greatest defensive protoss player on the planet, perennially at worst at top 2 protoss player, code S champion caliber player, loses games in premier tournaments to early game banshee and liberator play. Stop downplaying how good they are
and LOL @ a single adept “often” killing 2 scvs and 3 marines without taking non-shield shield damage.
This is a load of crap. Terran early game tech is much stronger than Protoss early game tech.
Protoss might not be straight up killed before 8 min but Terran has the ability to do critical damage that Protoss usually cannot recover from.
It sounds like you need to learn how to play 1-1-1 better (if you even play it at all - your posts make it sound like you just spam all ins and youre adverse to economic builds and macro games)
None of this is very strong. I mean BCs are strong when they can be mass warped, thats about it.
This is totally anecdotal. Typically terran has a worse economy and army all game.
Terran does have the most effective scouting but its not very strong once you consider the cost of scanning or building units to do the scouting. Effective but expensive. Meanwhile probe scouting early game is built in and expected, adept scouting is free, stalker scouting is free, and hallucination scouting are all free. Recall means observers and stalkers can go across the map risk-free. Protoss definitely has the better scouting while at the same time needing to scout less.
Stats might be a good defender but his play is so studied and predictable terrans can win against him. Meanwhile typical laddering protosses play with a style that makes air so bad. This is what I meant.
Not only is terran tech worse early on, terran has less of it. Stim is the one tech that isnt marginal. Say terran hits with some tanks and bio. That is stim, shells, shield, a factory, and a starport (if you consider the buildings to be tech at all). 5 techs or 3 depending on the definition. Protoss will have warp gate, TC, blink, charge, one of stargate/robo/darkshrine/templar and the corresponding tech for that unit (also the robo bay if colossus or disruptor). That is at least 6 techs for the protoss at the same point in time and I’ve seen up to 8 or 9. All this on top of defenders advantage (with the maps now super protoss favored) and a stronger economy. Protoss tech has also been buffed over time. Terran also has less production structures at this point in the game to use this weaker tech. I mean I dont understand how you can say terran tech is stronger early game.
Be a Terran
See that reaper paths can be blocked more easily
Say you have literally no way to ever see what protoss is doing now and that the maps make the game impossible
Forget you have scan
Cry on Forums about how you can’t reaper scout
Still make the reaper instead of anything else
FORGET YOU HAVE SCAN STILL.
Uninstall.
It did have a point. You just missed it. I don’t know, you’re so busy saying how reapers are dead in the water it doesn’t seem like you have. Do you think HeroMarine is dropping out of GM because of the map pool? Nah. He’s sitting pretty at 6.9k. Know what his MMR was last season? 6.9k. 2 seasons back? 6.9k still. This patch isn’t making you lose. This map pool isn’t making you lose.
Heromarine? Comon this is totally out of the subject. HM is a long time pro player in europe whos macro is better than 99.9999% of people who play in europe or the world for that matter. He couldnt drop out of GM if he tried. And if you watched his stream you’d know hes not happy with the game either.
HeroMarine is literally never happy. My only point was if you’re crying balance, that’s not the issue.
If you’re crying “not fun” that’s it’s own issue and I can respect someone not enjoying the state of this game. I don’t like its current tendencies towards mutual siege stalemates in ZvT Late game.
Saying Terran is weak is saying game is imba. You need to learn how to comprehend what you’re reading. It’s called Critical Thinking, I think you’re missing the “thinking” part, because you are definitely critical.
Ah, so you have no real response except to try, and fail, to suggest logical fallacies in my argument while providing no argument of your own (also known as a fallacy fallacy). I guess bowing out is your best option. GG.
Yeah protoss cant be killed or damaged nearly enough early game because of chargelots, sentries, and shield batteries. Not only are they strong but they work well with TC, robo, and stargate.
Well, you seem to be saying that bad balance is mutually exclusive with bad fun. Because Jinn is saying that both are failing, without necessary correlation, and you are saying that proves him wrong. By your statement of mutual spexclusion, we should try to imbalance the game to make it more fun.
I concede to your logic. I should say that something balanced isn’t necessarily fun but the two are not mutually exclusive. You can have fun and balance, fun and no balance, balance and no fun, and no fun and no balance.