Let’s put it this way. I don’t agree with adding a gas price in the first place. At all. But if you really wanted to put it in terms of genuine balance, you would have suggested something similar for the other two races. You didn’t, and so what you really want isn’t balance, but the deletion of Protoss.
It’s clear even with this ridiculous change in mind that Protoss gets affected the most, particularly as they rely on shield batteries the most when holding Terran’s first big push and many allins and “allins” of Zerg. Zerg only makes 1 spore per base at the most, the rest goes into queens because queens are OP. Terrans just never make a bunker, and only line their bases up with a bunch of static defense when they are trying to turtle (and they tend to float a lot of gas anyway going bio). Protoss gets affected the most. Zerg gets affected next most because vipers are super gas heavy, and they need to make spore forests in the late game.
And don’t you agree considering the recent tournament results and the fact Protoss is dominating almost every league. A little nerf to Protoss and a change that would shake up the builds and the Meta could be nice for the game ? That’s literally all I’m asking for.
That and several other smalls nerfs to even the playing field.
stop trolling…
If zerg would build as many def as Toss … on 2/3 base then zerg has only half the number of workers.
And the nice thing about Toss … one worker can build x sb/ cannons at the same time… no mining lost.
btw … toss still has warp to def harass…
Zerg only then builds mass Spore…Spine ~min 13?
i see the problem is that toss prefers to build Robo/ SG/ Twilight at once instead of units.
You stop trolling…
Nothing I said was wrong. Also, queens are independent of larva. Yes, I am aware it takes a worker to make static defense. No Zerg masses spore/spine around the 13 min mark. Nothing you say really makes sense. You should just stop talking
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No - and what you are suggesting will not shake the builds or meta. This is why I try to talk to you as little as possible, but I’m sure there are others who genuinely think that increasing the cost of things and flat nerfing stuff will lead to inspirational builds. Again, by increasing the cost of static defense, you are deleting existing strategies. By increasing the cost of anything, strategies fade. “Shake up the builds” LOL. You are just trying to bottleneck Protoss into one build.
If that was me posting this I’d already see you in 3021. After harassed by mod on duty in every way to be not allowed to post at all and every time, they either took a summer break or their superiors got the abusive actions and showed them the door.
This clown is trying to pass benefits as liabilities. Yes, zerg uses drones for buildings, but Zerg is the only race that can create workers 12 at a time (faster than a Protoss with Chrono).
In the long run this moron refuses to acknowledge that building SD with Drones is more cost-effective than with Probes.
I have yet to see a Zerg kill or send 30 Drones to the enemy.
We use to put a Templar at our fourth with the dual mission to:
Doesn’t count. PF is a kind of late MSC for terrans (hence does not require attention like the MSC like 70% of terran units).
If you remember MSC did cost gas.
Classic SD are Cannons/SB. Spore/Spine, Turret/Bunkers.
i have caught a turtle toss…
I mean, if I were you… I wouldn’t want anything to change. Netflix and skytoss are a good fit.
Cause it’s such an awesome game feeling… watching toss build mid game SB/ cannon and spam gas in void for harass and poke. later ht/ carrier, it’s hard to play this comp. And you know that if you want to win it will be a 20-30min game…
This right here sums it up so well. Just turtle up on 3 bases with several SBs, Cannons, and Void Rays while you pump out carriers. Need to have some TV on in the background to watch while you do nothing and win for free.
Putting labels to things that you don’t like wont make any difference. In a strategy game that approximates real war offense and defense are intertwined. When your race is too weak to mount offensive actions the best cost/effective way is to build a strong defense in order to increase the losses of the attacking party.
Nerffing Zealots, Carriers and HT was what forced Protoss to take a defensive posture up to 150 Supply.
Sorry that we are not that stupid as to donate free Zealot/Stalker in order to kill a marine or Zergling.
It’s pointless to continue discussion with people that can’t agree on even simple things like those.
It’s like me commenting on IT removal and MS introduction and saying:
-what nerff?
So, if those were not nerffs then you would be OK if we had Zealot with Damage on Impact, Carrier with Catapult that built Interceptors in 6 sec and FB that slaughtered Vipers/Infestors instead of just removing energy.
Deal?
No shield battery is fine for ground protoss. It’s fine at pro play. It’s a bit too strong for proxy void and other sky toss ladder shenanigans.
Code it to make it restore shields of air units more slowly for same amount of energy. Would require so testing but I’d it like 50-80% effective for air units.
Shield battery has made PvP mirror a lot better. Protoss needs SB also for ling bane rushes.
Terran and Zerg desperately mass 100s of spore crawlers/turrets late game to beat skytoss and yet the PPP think raising it for every race would be even. No zerg would be deleted from the game… next.
I never asked for that. Of all protoss i am for increasing the SD efficiency.
Goba’s 5 sec rule would reduce CNR and rushes:
Stuctures (Pylon, Cannon, SB, Turret, Bunker, Spore and Spines) including every Protoss/Terran building take 5 sec more to build if farther than 15 range of main structures (Nexus/Hatch/CC).
All those structures take 5 sec faster if built around (15 range) of main structures.
Also, for SB: make any SB built outside of 15 range of Nexus start with 50 energy.
Any SB has maximum energy at 125.
You need to learn to accept people disagreeing with you. If you’re not going to change their mind through the quality of your arguments then stop talking to them altogether, because you clearly get emotional.
I fought several protoss who have done this to me while i was working my way up thru the metal leagues. I beat them all.
then use it and stop whining. You acknowledge that they aren’t going to patch the game (I think it was you) and still make this thread? Cmon, man! That’s more lame than a 3 legged dog.