Phoenix obviously don’t work vs thors, or stalekrs vs tanks. You can’t drop with a warp prism. Only thing i can think off is zealot and dts, or maybe 5 robo immortal carrier. Problem is Terran tech is much more robust, even if i know he is going to do that from start i cant do anything. Even adept scout can be denied with 1 hellion and you can’t afford observers in this matchup + it doesn’t tell you anything many times. Also if he has 1 reaper before your base you can’t even sneak up probe to scout… Terran can open tank 5, thor just to hold and than he can do what ever he wants.
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Its called a zealot.
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Post replays, not theories.
Thanks.
And show your game profile too so that we have some context.
Thanks again.
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Yeah i thought about zealot, but still that doesn’t work half of the times. Terran can scout it and turtle with tanks and thors or even get bcs.
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blink stalker timing into the main with sentry halluc phoenix? blink on the tanks with it(as they will not have 5 out by the time you get blink i assure you) and you insta win
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Zealot. did some one say zealot. get a zealot.
and if terran turtles behind tanks. then just take the map get this massive mineral lead. and build production. so by chance you lose that army and you may. you can remax with it again. or insta tech switch b/c of massive mineral lead.
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Really, thing is you can’t afford 2 stargates on 2 bases, you won’t have gas and you need also colossus and it will hit so late, terran can get banshee easily by that time. They have 3 banshee, thors, they see what you are doing, but finding what Terran doing is problem. They have so many options and can kill you if you are not careful instantly !
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you asked what beat 5 tanks and 1 thor. We gave you the answer. the answer is chargelots and take the map.
As a mech player If I see chargelots. tank production has to stop and you have to get mines or hell bats.
build mass immortals behind it…trust me this is the answer
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Yeah but if you don’t do dmg with 2 base all in you autolose. You can’t play straight up macro. That’s the problem. Normaly what you do is 2 stargate before colossus and than go double robo and add templar. Problem you are behind, you need to do damage with your first push, or you will be too behind…
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Even if you expand your third will be late… You will be in disadvantage, because Terran has economic lead. You don’t expand vs Terran, every pro game is 2 base all in, than you if do dmg, you can macro out of that. And than he will attack off 3-4 base … If you expand. It is kinda coinflipp maybe if you drop and he don’t see it you can do some dmg, if he has banshee with his army, but probably not enough if he just pull scvs. Or 2 rax timing may do dmg , but probably not…
3 base Terran when protoss 2nd base just finishes…
I mean i could make pure zealot disruptor and try to have good engagement, but no stargate is coinflipp. He can go as easily to hellbat/raven etc. I can’t scout his whole base. And Terran decides first what tech he choses, while Protoss can’t adjust after scouting with obs. And yet he can all in you so if you don’t robo you autolose…
I guess i will try what is said, didn’t play vs tank thor long tiem. usually it is hellbat spam, or weird all ins.
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Do you mind posting a replay of this terran build you are having trouble against?
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Wrong, see the first game.
For me that looks like a fine example of winning by macro.
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tempest/disruptor + chargelot/immo is pretty good
→ if thors are out of range, you can snipe the tanks with your tempests and else you use the disruptors vs. the thors.
You can also have a look at this thread:
and this video:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBEQO8FIwpo&list=PLFeZeom2b4Dm_PXPREvPRAJVa6dijv0FF&index=17&t=6950s
A very well executed troll thread
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Agreed.
why even consider opening stargate against mech. such a waste of time
why not just get Zs and call it a day. or blink stalker opening.
I honestly don’t like being trolled. but welcome to the world of starcraft
Thor is TvP wonder what league you are in…
Someone else already said it, but zealot really is fine for this. Mineral-only units against later tech terran units is quite a steal. Really no problem here.
Now ZvP, that’s a problem.
Because with stargate you can open oracle, kill some worker, scout and counter banshees and you can have some phoenix to lift units if you want to try some timing, also it’s good against battle mech because it can counter the cyclons.
Yeah storms, pros split well. So pros don’t play storms as much. Collosus phoniex, you can easily scout and hold most of the time. Also depends on maps too. If there are chokes etc.
Still chargelot immortal/archon pretty terrible for holding most pushes. There are so many. If you don’t scan right tech, than he make 3 tanks and it is archons you autolose… And phoniex also countered by mine drops !!! Which is important scout for protoss
That depends what goes terran, stalkers are trash vs stimmed bio and tanks. And you can’t hold with stalker i think some pushes. And you can wiggle down stalker count with bio, or drop into their base when they move out… Thing is almost anything you do works…
They have:
Barracks spam
Tank/ mine
Hellbat/banshee/cyclone
Thoe/hellbat/viking
Ghost/hellion/rave.
Battlecruiser/thor/raven
Almost anything that comes to your mind works…
And so many all ins:
Mine drop
2/1/1
1/1/1
Proxy 5 rax
So many all ins that can kill you: if you shade their natural you see no gases so you know all in, but if they have gases than you don’t know their tech, it is so coinflippy.
e.g. if i adept scout and than they go banshee cyclone and i have 2 colossus = autoloss
3rr can counter every protoss opener so reaper doesn’t even scout anything many times, or you can keep it to check for third, but than you don’t know what they are up to…
That’s problem with PvT so many games end to all in, or build order loss, or some cheese or in midgame.