I mean, Koprulu is 60 000 LY away from Earth, yet it didn’t take 60 000 years for the UED to know about Zergs and Protoss
I know, I just don’t want people focus on this.
Dramatic
Worse.
More like an official of a Sun Empire of Jupiter.
Exactly! So it all doesn’t matter only relative time is.
I don’t see why not if the officials were proven to commit a crime on their own soil.
Base on unverifiable information. This is not Eisenhower being told there is a hundred more machine guns. This is Eisenhower being told that a Superradiant Bomb (it’s a bomb so advance that we can’t hope to make at the moment) is placed on the beaches.
Think about what is actually being told; what Artanis know at the moment.
Still don’t understand why Zeratul couldn’t have given Artanis another Ihan Crystal full of his WOL memories to allow Artanis and his counsel understand the prophecy he was seeing.
The only explanation is that when they hyperjump through space, they’re using tachyon technology and future predictors. The UED already learned that their colony 60k light years away are causing a ruckus, so they use this prophecy to travel into the Koprulu Sector’s future just in time for the Brood War.
Maybe he could have, but that took Jimmy days to get through.
Or they just use space magic FTL travel like every other sci-fi universe does.
Okay, how exactly is the Dominion court is going to prosecute Kerrigan?
Maybe, he could, but that’s not what happens here. To Artanis, he is just crying Big Bad Wolf is going to kill us all.
Beside, you can’t just use any Khaydarin Crystal to make the device. It has to come from that special moon.
And how is that help your case?
Okay, how exactly is the Dominion court is going to prosecute Kerrigan?
Physically capture her, contain her using psi disruptor / stasis / artifact technology, and then court her for her crimes. Make it valid under Nuremberg trials - prove with evidence that Kerrigan was vanguarding the invasions and gave out direct commands to her broods to destroy the Dominion. Prosecute her afterwards.
Maybe, he could, but that’s not what happens here. To Artanis, he is just crying Big Bad Wolf is going to kill us all. Beside, you can’t just use any Khaydarin Crystal to make the device. It has to come from that special moon.
This information was verifiable. Should’ve found Raynor first, asked for the Ihan Crystal and Keystone back, then emergency call Artanis and tell him that he must first see the Ihan Crystal first before he proceeds with the invasion. Then go to the Daelaam, invoke Tassadar’s name and bring all the templar who were there at the Overmind before, and then all the Daelaam would take him seriously. The invasion would be halted, they’d start purging the Tal’darim by allying with Alarak, and plead with Kerrigan to help retake Aiur in order to wittle Amon down.
This also tangents to another question - if the Utter Darkness campaign mission was supposed to show an apocalyptic future, why were there not any clues about Amon being able to control the Khala / Protoss? Was it because in that timeline branch, Kerrigan was not de-infested, meaning she was still able to produce broods for Amon to use, so there was no need to enslave the Khala afterwards?
And how is that help your case?
Understanding if there is time dilation or not allows us to theorycraft what Stukov may be up to after LOTV.
Not really though. Amon would still take control of them via their nerve cords. The invasion kinda doesn’t matter.
No, they clearly are following and responding to events in real time if you read the brood war manual. Their FTL travel is just insanely fast.
Technology which they dont have, you mean? Dont you think that if they were capable of capturing her or killing her, they would have done so during the war?
Yeah, ok. Meanwhile, Selendis takes command while Artanis is faffing around with Zeratul and Raynor, leads the invasion, and we end up in the same situation. They arent just going to sit around for Artanis to do some soul searching here.
You guys all realize Amon doesn’t want the invasion to happen either right? Otherwise his assets would just be destroying each other.
And by the time he did that the invasion is already underway. Zeratul has to run straight to Aiur. There is no time for any detour. And even then, he is almost too late to warn Artanis.
Even if there is a time dilation it doesn’t matter. As I typed, the time on earth since the UED knows about the Zerg and Protoss till now is less than a lifetime; barely a decade. His family is pretty much alive unless he had no one, but grandparents who are about to die.
Look, your mental image of how this works is fault. The only case where time dilation is relevant is when most of the time is spend traveling at faster than light speed. Otherwise, you can just ignore to traveling part and focus on the destination.
As opposed to watching the Tal’darim kill each other in Rak’shir? Or Raynor beating up the Tal’darim to retrieve the artifact? Or his plan to have the hybrids kill the zerg after the protoss are dead?
Amon wants EVERYTHING to die, remember? He has a right laugh watching it all go down. He doesnt care if his prospective minions kill each other, he loves to watch it.
You do realize that is what he really want, right? I much prefer the Tal’darim to kill each other en mass even if it set him back months or years.
Technically yes, but he still chose to mind control the khalai right before the invasion instead of waiting till he lost all of his Aiur Zerg.
Its unclear why, exactly, he chose that time to assert control, but i doubt it had anything to do with the invasion, per se. Otherwise he could simply have done it while Zeratul was on the mothership.
Why is it unclear? The invasion forced his hand. If he waited any longer his giant zerg army on Aiur would be obliterated.
Because he let the invasion actively get underway before taking control, and let Zeratul warn Artanis not only about Amon himself, but the Keystone as well.
It’s less opportunity for the Nerazim to sever any Khalai nerve cords. They have to contend with hybrid controlled zerg in addition to brainwashed Daelaam.
It’s possible that if he tried that while the protoss were by themselves, the Nerazim might have built up enough momentum to free all the Daelaam. Instead we get a cinematic of Nerazim getting killed by zerg.
Is it? While theyre all onboard the various Armada ships, theyre all accounted for and in close proximity to the khalai that they believe to be allies. Once the invasion begins, the Nerazim are going to go out and act as scouts and saboteurs. They arent going to be fighting alongside the Khalai in straight battle nearly as much, thats simply not what theyre good at. They will be alone and in their own environment.
I believe it does. It doesn’t make sense that Amon would love to see the Daelaam slaughtering Zerg he technically has control over. In the end of the Aiur mission, it was revealed hybrid reavers were exerting control over the zerg on Aiur. He wants to see all life end, but not when he’s not yet victorious. That’s why in the Utter Darkness, he kills off the Protoss before having his own hybrids kill off the remaining zerg. Anyway, I believe the entire point of enslaving the Khala during the start of their invasion was to lure them into a false sense of security and then mind control everyone.
Technology which they dont have, you mean? Dont you think that if they were capable of capturing her or killing her, they would have done so during the war?
No, they clearly are following and responding to events in real time if you read the brood war manual. Their FTL travel is just insanely fast.
OK, I see the UED learned about the protoss and zerg in 2499 and Brood War started in July 2500, so assuming they left in January 2499 that means they traveled 60k light years in ~1.5 years. This is (60k light years = 5.67644E20 m / 299,792,458 m/s) / (1.5 years * 365.25 d/y * 24 h/d * 3600 s/h) = 40,000 times FTL. You two are right, assuming Earth and all the other planets in the Koprulu Sector are similarly sized.
Technology they should have access to. Recall that Narud took the Keystone for safe storage, but then communicated with Mengsk to give it back to him on Korhal. So by that time, Mengsk had science facilities experimenting with Narud’s hybrids, zerg technology, and protoss technology. Why wouldn’t he have any of that technology?
Yes, this is correct. He wants all life to perish with everything killing each other, but not before he achieves victory first.
There wasn’t any need to rush to Aiur to appear in-person. Make a conference call like everyone does to share info. If you watch the cutscenes again, Artanis reluctantly believes in Zeratul again and orders him to seek the Keystone so they can use it against Amon. But before Zeratul could leave Aiur, he prioritized the brainwashed Daelaam and finding Artanis instead.