Fix MMR range for Toss and Zerg

No one is talking about your topic anyways. Because we all know its not true and you just try to provoke people.

This is exactly what your argument is. And while you never said “All Terran players are worse” that’s what it means.

Please tell me more how much better you understand the game than the pro players who literally play your race.

Zerg has the hardest time in GM. I’ve stated this more than once (though, it’s not as bad as it looks at a glance because they’re a low % of the total population).

Terran has the hardest time everywhere else (as reflected by the same metric applied to other leagues).

Except the skill prrdictors like apm etc say these terrans are in the proper place. Gm however has protoss with average apm lower than masters 2 zergs.

It’s tge same measurement method used in a range of scientific studies; a good example is cephied variables in astronomy which establish the distance of a galaxy by a correlation between brightness and pulsation period.

Protoss are lower in every skill metric for the same performance level, which is equivalent to saying less skilled players are achieving the same ranking as more skilled players. The only underpowered race is zerg with 1/2 as many players in gm as protoss.

The only zergs capable of getting gm rn are the ones who have stellar winrates in ZvT and ZvZ to offset the bonkers advantage protoss has in PvZ. PvZ becomes your most common matchup, so not only are you disadvantaged but that becomes the most common opponent. I have a 70% winrate vs t and a 60% vs zerg and a 50 vs protoss, lmfao, and this common in grandmaster.

In gm I am playing vs toss players who accidentally click their armies into spores. I posted a video of one. Gm protoss loses like 8 phoenix for free. Another one, totally different player, rallied his first carrier into spores and let it die. These guys are the people giving me and other gm zergs, gms with 70% winrates in other matchups, they are giving us 50% winrates.

If an APEtoss doesn’t win iem, now, with the insane advantage they have, they will never win one. Serral will keep dunking on them as long as the tournament cash keeps flowing. It was actually SC2 that made me realize how insane DEI initiatives are. They are going to mandate protoss to win 1/3rd of premier tournaments and as a result delete zerg at every level below that, and you can use that as a model to predict what DEI initiatives will do to the workplace and economy at large. Are you ready for people who misclick their phoenix into spores to be the ones flying airplanes? Yikes. Any company that supports DEI is a company I boycott because their priority isn’t to do a good job. The sc2 ladder is a small manifestation of a greater cultural experiment. They are experimenting with communism and we are witnessing in real time how incredibly destructive the ideology is.

Sounds like you got lawyered. Thanks again for proving me right

Non-macro APM favor Terran players at even MMR distribution.

Nope. Please read again.

Nope that isnt true at all.

In conclusion: If you twist my words and use strawman then my “statements” are wrong. Gj bourne. I never doubted you :smiley:

No, not at all. You know what? I loaded up the good old starcraft and played terran. I didnt know any builds except obviously that cyclones are busted.

A 3k terran player is a 5kish player in disguise because of the patch from the (im)balance council.

What happend?
I got the weakest matchup of terran (tvt). A 4.3k Terran. Oh snap. I actually dont know the build order. I got hardcountered. I got blasted. I lost 13 scvs to a 2 rax proxy reaper rush. Obviously every race would just lose. But not terran! Anyway…i build some cyclones and i won. (That basically means im a better terran than bourne or you but we will never tell them, because it would embarrass you two :shushing_face:)

sc2replaystats. com/replay/24706357

The new patch is basically everything bourne hoped for.

Any 3k terran is now basically a 5k terran. Can we quit whining now? Can we agree on the most obvious? Terran is now completly busted because they have an a move unit that basically counters everything and shreds through workers like nothing.

Sen “I don’t care what pro players that play my race say, Terran isn’t the hardest and I clearly know better than them” try

Nice “argument”.

Here look what a pro player says 6 years ago about the top level of starcraft. Wow. Fallacy of authority much? :smiley:

This is definetly the reason why terran is 50% bronze and silver. 100% the reason. Cmon bourne. Are you for real?

I gave you 5 other talking points which you pretty much ignored in favor of “I split players by MMR and then they had the same MMR”

Which one?

All i can see is that you misuse a quote from 6 years ago where he talks about top level. Please ask him in current time. And if you are at it: Please ask him why he thinks bronze and silver is 50% terran.

Meanwhile pros of any race are making fun of the current patch since you can be at 5k mmr if you have the following:

→ 3k mmr with terran
→ at least 65 apm

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Please find a quote like that…

I said talking points. In other words facts.

Watch harstem talking about the akrij build Order.

Turns Out you get +2000 mmr If you build cyclones.

//youtu. be/QXlmBFYkZYs?si=rLwDxXiY-kU9HbxJ

Harstem Interviewed akrij having a blast. Akrij basically says you Need Like 0 apm or skills and that this build is so easy you get 5k for free.

Meanwhile harstem is laughing His ar$e Off because He is in the (im)Balance council that Patched that it. Pretty funny. Terran is now the confirmed Training wheels Race.

And i dont need to Come Up (misuse) with quotes from 6 years ago to prove it. We have Them right Here. Right now.

Where ? Which facts ?

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Who TF is Akrij? Lol.

Are you living under a rock? I have posted this multiple times already. This is all over reddit and the sc2 scene for 2 weeks now. But the video from harstem that i posted said it all:

A guy named akrij was hardstuck diamond at 3k mmr for about 4 years but everything changed when the (im)balance team attacked.

He got straight to 5.2k mmr.

sc2pulse .nephest.com/sc2/?type=character&id=3847396&m=1#player-stats-mmr

Just watch the video about 2 guys having a blast about how easy and imbalanced terran has become.

I’m watching it now.

It may well be that there’s an insanely easy to pull off build that maximizes your MMR. If I find it credible, I’ll say so.

But if you notice, I don’t just dismiss something like this out of hand. You know, how you do with literally anything I say. Hell, you even do it with metrics YOU post, if you miscalculate and they disagree with you.

Fancy that.

I would agree with you. Wholeheartly. If you would state anything that would make sense at all. There are multiple guys here that strongly disagreed with almost everything you state, since what you are saying doesnt sound reasonable to anyone.

For example i agreed with you that bio terran is the hardest to get to top pro level. I have stated that multiple times. But it would be very wrong to assume this is the reason why terran is 50% silver and bronze.

It is basically like when proxy void ray or nydus were completly broken. But worse, because it hits way sooner, with way less counter measurements and you need way less micro.

This should be getting fixed. Hopefully soon. Everyone in the community knew that the cyclone rework would destroy lower level. But the pros still went on with it. This is the result. To wheasypeasy i posted my own result of an “akrij” build. Instantly destroying a 4,3k terran player despite me getting hard countered and me not knowing exactly the build order. Im basically masters terran now :smiley:

I blame the propaganda machine. Winter posted a video where it’s 7 marines vs a mothership and the comment section is filled with posts flaming how bad the unit is and how it’s still -300 -300. In reality the mothership is now potentially the best spellcaster in the game. You can thank Harstem for that.

Dude they were literally your metrics. YOU came up with them. YOU posted evidence that you didn’t proofread hoping to be vindicated. I examined the evidence and both times it came back the opposite of what you wanted it to be.

Did it change your mind for even a second? Not even a moment’s pause.

I see an interview with Harstem I listen to what he has to say.

You see an interview with Showtime where he literally says “Terran is the hardest race”

You REEEEEEE and say “THAT’S NOT WHAT HE MEANT”

Did he say “Terran is the hardest at the highest level?” Or did he say, “I think it’s because Terran is the hardest race mechanically… Yeah I think it’s because TERRAN IS THE HARDEST RACE.”

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