That fails to filter out cheesers, smurfs and people who just play short games.
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All the stats we have are imperfect. You’d have to assume, all things even, that all 3 races play roughly the same amount of cheese players, the same number of smurfs, etc.
No, I absolutely do not.
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Okay. Then prove otherwise. That’s what this entire thing is about. You and Sentry have been assuming Terran players are inferior. Assuming first, that they’re newer players, then assuming that they’re “more casual,” but not defining what that even means. What measure do you use to define “casual?”
Stick with facts and stop assuming things.
Easy. Bronze and silver is 50% terran.
Nah. I dont need to prove anything. I dont assume something. Bronze and silver Players are indeed Casual Gamers. What Else should they be? Dedicated Players ? Average Players? Good Players ?
Now you assume something. Maybe we should try less mental gymnastics and Just Stick to the basics…
We dont have to prove Things. You have to prove Things why we should assume Equal Outcome even If we have an uneven distribution (terran being much much much much more popular)
You absolutely do. When you say that Terran players have more casuals you are 100% assuming that they are casual. Then you looked for any possible evidence to prove yourself correct.
Hel, it took you over a year to get to “we split players by MMR and found that when we do that, Terran only has slightly lower MMR.” Even you know how stupid that sounds.
I don´t know yours and sentrys history. But I can clearly see you are the one trying to prove “Terran is Harder” but you failed that. Now you try to set up a trap to make us say something silly. But your failed on that too.
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Please describe how I failed at that?
You keep asking us quistions keep telling us that we make claims and assumtions but you are the one who does that look back in the thread every thing is there.
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We are both making claims and assumptions. I’m claiming that Terran players are, not in any quantifiable way, inferior. I’m willing to be proven wrong, but until you actually come up with some hard evidence, you’re just being blind.
This isn’t even a controversial claim, anywhere outside of the forums or Reddit. People have been saying Terran is the hardest race since 1998. If I showed you the old clip of Showtime saying “Terran is the hardest race” would you believe him? I kind of doubt it. BeastyQT said it, Crank said it, etc.
If not Terran, which race IS the hardest? Because it would be virtually impossible for all 3 races that play so differently to be exactly the same difficulty.
No i dont need to prove anything. The only Thing im assuming is that people in Bronze or silver are excpetionally Bad…and thus Casual (an assumption that can be Stated as fact or do you think anyone would say hey those Guys in silver are actually good why arent they in Platinum ? People at the lowest of the leagues that are far below average are considered Bad…or Not?).
There is a slightly Higher amount of Bad terran Players but why should that mean that the Race is hard?
I replied to your post earlier, but apparently it got lost in the volume of discussion, so here we go again
Great finally you decide to link the data after more than 200 post. But this is just data. Data can be interpreted in different ways. We can´t be sure what these data means. We need an expert to analyze the data and tells us what these data means. Maybe the data just means Terran is the most popular race to play.
It isn’t slight. They’re over-represented by over 30%. I have never disputed that Silver League players are bad. That’s a strawman.
Definitely is the most popular race to play, that explains the higher than average population, but not the MMR disparity.
et voila
You have given yourself the explanation.
Good job. Im proud of you. Now stop crying
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Dude you literally, by your own admission, even despite looking at contradicting evidence, believed for over a year, that Terran players were “casuals.”
The only evidence you’ve been able to provide to the contrary? Your magic missile? “I split the player base by MMR and they only had slightly less MMR.” That was your best work. I’m not even saying that’s BS evidence (it is, but that’s not what I’m saying right now). You know you didn’t have any evidence of it, because some of it YOU provided.
Now, please. Find one study where any reputable scientist was studying a disparity in a variable, then decided to split the population by said variable in order to draw on conclusions.
Is it crying to point out facts? Am I a “crybaby” when I point out that all year Protoss literally hasn’t taken gold home from a single Premier? You certainly seem to have no problem with me when I point out THAT disparity. Just curious as to why…
By the way, this “casuals” comment is what’s referred to as the “fallacy of composition” or the “hasty generalization fallacy.”
Dude, you’ve been crying harder than Batz if we dropped him in an onion processer after nerfing the zergling. Its embarassing.
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What’s the definition of “projection?”
I never have said that. Ive always corrected you. You have serious comprehension issues or you just make bad faith statements all the time.
I said there are more casuals for terrans (which is factually correct because there are way more terrans in silver or bronze). But i dont say terran players are more casual. Those are 2 different statements. I have said this since day 1.
Or rather prove me wrong by giving out a study or a statement from any reputable scientist that what i did was wrong?
Because you tried to disprove it with your height example, which in fact would actually state that its still showing what it needs to show: if we split the height in 2 categories for taller or shorter people we would still see a difference in height between men and women. The existance of a woman with a higher height doesnt falsify the fact that they are on average shorter.
So you cant come up with any valid reason to state why its untrue what i did. So you throw a tantrum and rolling around on the floor crying because it doesnt support your view.
You realize that if we look at whole population and seeing difference in mmr and looking at bottom 50% and top 50% and seeing no difference in mmr basically just says: There are simply more terrans in lower leagues and thus dragging down the average mmr.
Nope 
lol. Not at all.
fallacy of composition:
The fallacy of composition is when an individual infers that something is true of the whole because it is true of part of the whole .
This is what i am NOT DOING. As stated above:
“I said there are more casuals for terrans (which is factually correct because there are way more terrans in silver or bronze). But i dont say terran players are more casual. Those are 2 different statements. I have said this since day 1.”
In fact, YOU are doing that. Because you state that there are too many terran players in silver and bronze league YOU say its because terran is hard and now you conclude terran is hard in general for the WHOLE population.
You played yourself mate
“hasty generalization fallacy.”:
The hasty generalization fallacy, also known as the overgeneralization fallacy, is the logical fallacy of making a claim based on a sample size far too small to support the claim . Whether a sample size is large enough to support a claim depends on the specific claim.
This has nothing to do with the point at all.
Neither do i say that ALL TERRANS are more casual nor do i say: hey based on those 100 people i think terran players are all too casual.
The only thing i am stating is: There are more bad terran players in bronze and silver and thus dragging down the average mmr. This is factually correct. No assumptions. No nothing.
YOU however assume something out of it.
You seem angry. You are a very sore loser 0o