If you look at mirror matchup performance, which shows SC2 performance without the bias of balance issues, Maru is by far the best player in SC2. His TvT is out of this universe. Serral by comparison has extremely poor ZvZ performance.
Including all matchups, the list goes as thus:
What a horrible metric of comparison. Why would you think that?
Maru’s TvT is exceptional. His games this year against Cure and ByuN demonstrate that incontrovertibly. However, the mechanics of ZvZ in SC2 are completely different. Wins and losses come down to individual larvae counts. If a player fails to make a ling with one larvae they can instantly lose. If a player fails to make a drone they fall immeasurably behind, and players are forced to mirror each other much more. It’s much closer to being a coinflip than TvT or PvP where players can control outcomes easier.
Serral has a 67.7% winrate in ZvZ, 69.5% ZvT, and 72.4% ZvP.
Your thread on Serral’s greatness is valid. With 19 Premier tournament wins compared to Maru’s 13 he deserves significantly more consideration than given, but he’s playing what has widely been considered to be a stronger race and has never competed in GSL.
You know, just a computer scientist with a background in statistics with tens of thousands of hours doing these kinds of research projects.
Fun fact, symmetrical matchup performance correlates with asymmetrical matchups more than asymmetrical matchups correlate with each other. Symmetrical matchups are a better indicator of skill, period.
The statistics you pulled in the other thread were nice to read, but you should know as well as any that the metrics you set matter. ZvZ as a barometer of skill is not a great one. A better calculation would be: “How much better are they at the mirror matchup than the other most-accomplished pros” but you get into questions of what qualifies as “most accomplished.” How does Serral’s ZvZ match up to Dark, Rogue, etc?
Factually false. Please see:
Show your work.
Also, lol @:
Do you know what a pearson correlation is?
EDIT: Here you go, boss:
https://i.imgur.com/mrDTSGb.png
As you can see, the various matchups are tightly correlated. If someone has low ZvZ performance, it’s because they aren’t very good.
Well OK you are right about the ‘not playing their best’ that is why I dont do much balance talk because of GSL, exactly because less training and ‘not my day’ are factors.
But to think that herO is more or equally EXP or shape with Maru is wrong
Anybody who goes to do their mil service is forever behind in skill… herO is no exception.
You tell me how great herO is with all these mistakes that only Bunny would be equal in making.
as for Classic two factors:
People say play like herO but they also admit it’s not that easy, no one came close to it, but never mind about that, what I would like to know is who are you to judge if a player is worthy of his earned victory ?
Are you new or something? That is what the forum is about, Whether about balance or other reasons we say what we think about a player and his win…
Oh ok… I was just wondering just how qualified you are to judge top game play, I guess you answered my question, what about this :
How is herO not consistent ?! before his military service he became the first player to win three IEM championships, winning IEM Season VIII - Singapore, IEM Season VIII - Sao Paulo and IEM Season IX - San Jose… he received a special award for achieving the most wins in two consecutive seasons of Proleague (2014/2015) then he then went on to reach top of the ranking in third consecutive season as well… and after his military service he won a GSL Code S, the first Protoss player to do so after 5 years and in the next season he got to the semi-finals.
That is my point I remember hero[join] who was much better than the old herO (liquid?) but after military they are all broke. He made gold level mistakes on DH Atlanta. Yes again confirming how you win as toss
You said that herO is not consistent and yet before Atlanta he won GSL Code S and the next season he got to the semi-finals where he lost to Maru… It looks like you are just messing around.
Hero is riding a colossal protoss tsunami which is not impressive in the slightest. They buffed Protoss to where they achieved >60% win-rates in the pro scene, which hasn’t happened since 2010. Magically, Hero starts doing well. Contrast that against Innovation, who won GSL across many game versions, including versions of the game when Terran undeniably struggled. Do you remember Innovation going 4-0 against the best Protoss at the time when Protoss was heavily favored in TvP? He was a beast. At IEM he slaughtered Byun, Ty, and Maru. Byun tried proxy reaper and it failed. Innovatin used proxy reaper the next game and won. If you believed the GSL casters, Byun’s reaper builds were “unbeatable”. Innovation was a legend. Hero just doesn’t compare.
While I do think youre being a bit harsh, to some extent I agree with the notion that herO isn’t quite the god that people make him out to be. However, he is unequivocally the best protoss player right now, and has singlehandedly redefined the meta after coming back from military service.
Aged Like Milk. Gsl st only Had 3 protoss opposed to 7 terrans and 6 zergs and after ro 16 they are all Out. Protoss OP my a$$
I will say that herO going out to Bunny 3-0 after beating him recently 4-3 Is quite the surprise.
Maru vs Classic was almost a foregone conclusion. I dont even remember who the third toss was - Trap wasnt in because he got eliminated really early in the previous season, right? Or was it because he went to military?
Hm idk. Bunny won the bo5 vs Hero in the dh Finals aswell but lost in the end because it was a bo7 (Bunny won First map Hero the second and Bunny took the next 2). Bunny is pretty aggressive and that works apparently very Well vs Hero.
Thats true 
It was kinda hard to watch. Beating Classic with a 8 min Push without any commitment Like Classic was some Kind of Diamond Player. He got outclassed.
Creator.
And opposed to the Other protoss He actually got 1 Match win. But yeah it was obvious as Well.
Oh I wasn’t saying it wasn’t possible. Just that I was surprised it was a 3-0, rather than 3-1 or 3-2.
Finally Zerg is not stronger than both of the other races.
So other races can finally win some majors.
Rest is blabla, aligulac / tournament wins is what matters.