Curious: Series of High IQ person trying to master sc2 (from zero)?

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Hello there,

I’m thinking there certainly are some tries to How-fast-can-you-master-sc2? OR how-good-would-a-super-human-be-at-sc2? someone like a 3Times Professor or something like that?! What ever grades suit to this level…

Where someone with a very high IQ (possibly quite popular) tries to master Sc2 - as quickly as possible and as a challenge to beat a pro player once (better: in a best of three of course, since cheese…). Not a show match at all, just a best of three anywhere - with documented Zero-To-Hero. Or similiar.

So the question is : Do you know of a video series where one is doing that little challenge? Or anything documented about that? Preferably new, but I’m guessing the hype was pre Lotv.

Thanks

Edit 2019-10-21
PS: I do not care too too much about people understanding it wrong, BUT one more sentence about what I meant:
THE IQ ( or what ever term you want to use, Intelligence if you want ) determines how quick that person will pick up the game => SPEED OF LEARNING (as well as the top potential…and YES MULTITASKING IS A THING YOU CAN LEARN, QUICKLY or slowly, its about NOT FORGETTING, among other attributes…). A highly trained intelligent person. (That doesn’t come from playing Sc2, but someone like a 2xprofessor, anything…, and yes it can be trained…)

IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED TO BE A PRO - anyone can become good at this game with enough time investment - its about the short time and someone like with enough of time and money actually doing a challenge here. W/E.

By the way: For anyone interested in the korean dominance, I felt this article (see below) about Rogue was presenting kind of the stuff you may expect from a high IQ. Ultra high versatility. And finding those wholes in your opponents play and in the imbalance of sc2 itself - unique first time plays everywhere! - and then using them TO WIN! Is one of the things … that are impressive, not meaning long dominance at all… (which is just time investment). The challenger should find these things quickly within his time of balance state and win a best of 3 vs a pro.

Those are the things being impressive, I won’t ever understand people not having respect for the one time successors in their time - they did find the winning moves at that time. . It doesn’t matter what is today.
Hinting at students of broodwar history, too - Studying that in short time is relatively easy nowadays, with 2x 4x and 8x video speed, auto subtitles,…

Link, “Rogue…” :
tl . net / forum / starcraft-2 / 551656-rogue-still-sexy

I am mainly here to find such a series though :slight_smile:

@ALL
Alot of other answers here, which I want to thank for but cannot adress all.

Edit2:
A small hint: I can guarantee you I do not mean any Bronze to Grandmaster.
So anyone hinting at those has no clue about the dedicated learning I meant.

You want dedicated training partners! Either friends or paid. As simple of an example as your football training…

Ladder is the worst place to TRAIN. It is not deliberate practice.

Ladder is just a place to test your skill and have fun. It’s A way.

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  1. you cant master sc2. even guys like serral didnt master sc2, because to master it, would mean, making no mistakes, which is… impossible.

  2. why should a “high IQ” person have any benefits when playing sc2? i doubt, that all the pros have IQ above 150… sc2 is something about talent and how much effort you put into it, not how intelligent you are.

  3. im sure you will find some series of that kind on youtube, but as far as i know, most of them cancelled at some point. why? because it takes thousands of games, to become good at sc2. so i doubt, that you will find any “from zero to hero” stuff, where someone climbs up from bronze to master. the only ones what i know of are these series from allrdy gm players, who do a “from bronze to master” series. vibe f.e.

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There are several from to masters series on youtube that you can find. however, I am not sure how much you would get out of it b/c the game has evolved so much over the years.

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IQ means nothing. There are people over 150 IQ picking up my garbage everyday. The people who are the most successful are the most ambitious people who never quit.

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well IQ doesn’t matter in this game to much i personally being very Intelligent but can’t get over diamond the reason is simply i don’t have the mechanic skill to do but my planing and strategic/tactical mind allows easy to get into diamond

sry for my bad english not my talent and not my main language

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True,Sc2 is mostly about mechanical skill,anyone can memorize build orders, not everyone can follow them properly if they are not fast and methodical.

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this is quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written on these forums

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150 + IQ is Einstein range, you’re talking 99.999th percentile (like 1 in a million people)

“Einstein’s IQ means nothing, I could achieve the same things he did if I felt like it and put the effort in but I just don’t feel like revolutionizing physics right now” - Bacon 2019

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“Einstein picks up my garbage” - Bacon 2019

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150 IQ may be exaggerated in his scenario (maybe he should have said 120 IQ), but his point is a fair point.

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No, his point is stupid with or without the exaggeration; IQ is statistically proven to be the single most reliable/accurate predictor of a person’s future success in life; minimum IQ levels are even fairly well established for most jobs/fields (e.g., line cook vs doctor/lawyer/engineer). IQ is genetic and cannot be changed, and is akin to something like natural physical prowess/ability (e.g., great athletic ability). Someone can’t become Einstein or accomplish what he accomplished just by “trying hard” (to paraphrase Bacon’s statement). In addition to all this, he has no clue who picks up his garbage which makes his statement even more ridiculous (unless he is out by his curb every morning administering IQ tests to his garbage men). Just another dumb statement from Bacon to add to the long list of dumb things he has said.

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I guess Matt Damon is picking up Bacon’s garbage while solving the Poincaré conjecture with Robin Willliams while sporting an adorable Boston accent

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Most people don’t know how much they can truly accomplish. IQ stigma is going to hurt the productivity of mankind in invention and innovation. It’s a stupid worthless test that serves its main purpose as a way to hierarchy people based on a near-useless stat. I’ve heard that “single most predictor” garbage in many types of tests/exams I’ve taken throughout my academic career.

At the end of the day, ambition seems to do miraculous things. Average people could be doing phenomenal things you couldn’t imagine if they put in the work and ambition.

Also, I’ve hear rumors that IQ is somewhat fluid. That can somewhat increase throughout the years based on certain things. Don’t remember the sources, too busy to look them up.

I’m pretty I originally started the “you need minimum IQ to do so-so” on these boards so I don’t need preached to about it.

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My friend, you know damn well the average IQ of GARBAGE MEN is no where near 150, probably not even 80-90. To say something like “there are people over 150 IQ picking up my garbage everyday” is completely asinine. Regarding the rest of your post, I’m sorry to tell you and the rest of the world, most of what we are is inherited, no force of will is going to make us Cristiano Ronaldo or Einstein or Garry Kasparov, these guys are simply gifted; tenacity/ambition/industriousness/etc. is ALSO genetic for the most part. Most people have never taken an IQ test, so not sure where you’re getting this “it limits our dreams” stuff; IQ testing/study is simply something to help us understand why the world is the way it is.

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I agree that 150 was an exaggeration. I sure as hell bet there are people with over 100 IQ doing it though.

I have theories that you can make above average IQ people do incredible things under certain educational situations. But I digress.

I’ve taught university chemistry students that thought they weren’t smart enough to do so-so and I had to give them a reality check.

Actually, much of my academic success is because of the luxury that other people didn’t compete with me because they didn’t realize their true potential.

Makes my life easier.

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No offence, but these anecdotes are irrelevant to what we are talking about; IQ is genetic, cannot really be changed for the most part, and is incredibly important; for example, you cannot be an engineer or a theoretical physicist with a 60 IQ. The point in saying this is to point out how stupid Bacon’s comment is (“IQ means nothing”). Bacon’s contention is that anyone can do anything if they try hard enough, which is simply not the case. It is a cold hard fact of life that many things are simply genetic, like IQ, and they have profound effects on our lives.

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Not with my point, which is people who think they have lower IQs will believe they will accomplish less, and not realize their true potential.

Obviously, IQ is a predictor of success in some overarching way, but its not fully my point.

Severely below average IQ’s can’t do quantum physics, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they can still do amazing things you wouldn’t imagine for their IQ. That’s more my point.

They can do more than what is expected, perhaps not “anything”. I agree, few can be a Tesla. But many people can be an author in physics.

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Well I’ll finish with this; I don’t know my exact IQ but I believe it to be, at a minimum, 130-140, for various reasons I won’t get into (my occupation, various free IQ tests I have taken like the Wonderlic, etc.); I cracked Masters within six months of picking up the game for free in Dec 2017 (without any help/studying the game, I just figured it out on my own and use my own builds to this day). Is IQ the only/most important factor to success in SC2? No. I am extremely competitive and possess a number of other qualities that are well suited to SC2 (and Chess, which I play as well). I see players with 20 - 30K games played still in Diamond or below, so it is pretty clear to me that there is a little more to success in SC2 (like Chess) than just “trying hard”.

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I don’t know or care what my IQ is.

It seems to me only “slightly above average” care about it.

The smartest people I’ve known in life have never mentioned IQ in any serious conversation in my life. I don’t even think I’ve ever heard a physician colleague even mention IQ in a serious note for anything at anytime.

If I told a more senior physician I had a high IQ, I’d be laughed out of the building. It’s that ridiculous.

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Of course they haven’t, who talks about IQ in general? From what I know, however, IQ is definitely measurable and the concept is backed up by 100 + years of study. The OP’s question is like asking “how well would a high IQ person do in medical school vs a low IQ person”; obviously the high IQ person is going to crush the low IQ person. Then Bacon comes in and says “IQ means nothing, the 60 IQ person can beat the 150 IQ person in medical school if they try hard enough”.