If we know who they are we can actually force them to quit if we are not satisfied with their job (even if we resort to harass - getting rid of incompetent people is better than letting them do their job.
There it is. Finally someone said it.
You want to know who they are so you can harass them.
No. Bad.
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Why do you assume harassment is the only way to get rid of them ?
Because we donāt get a vote? I feel like you donāt understand what that means. Our opinion doesnāt affect who is on the council.
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Assuming we know who they are we can make some sort of āpetitionā for them to kindly quit balancing the game if we are unhappy with their efforts. Harassment should only be considered as last ditch effort if they donāt listen to us.
What about David Kim when he was in charge ? Was he harassed too ?
You donāt need to know who is on the council to tell Blizzard if youāre unhappy with their efforts, and they arenāt obligated to care anyway.
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Ok maybe you are right we donāt need to know who these people are, so how do we tell them we donāt want them ? There must be some way to ask Blizzard to fire people, which in the opinion of majority, are viewed as incompetent. You canāt let bunch of amateurs to ruin the game if they have no clue how SC2 works. Agreed ?
Presumably, if you post a suggestion in the team liquid forum, reddit, possibly this forum (I donāt know for certain), or some other important SC2 related forum; that suggestion might be read or considered.
I would argue that suggestions or participating in test patches should be the most influence that anyone should have over the balance council. You donāt need to harass them, and you donāt need to know who they are.
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Iām generally of the opinion that people who feel that shouting āyou should be fired!ā as a response to people doing their jobs should not be allowed out in public.
I trust HM could be on it or Cure or Bunny. I think Lambo, Serral, Reynor could be from Z side. Maxpax proly from toss. Plus minus Pig and Rotti. So input is definitely not anti T, there are Tās
Yeah there are always more convincing methods 
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I think anyone on council should be disqualified for playing tournament.
I think some nerfs are dumb.
You canāt tell me queen nerf is for nerf but it was mainly keep fast voids in play vs switching tactics to get fast high templars.
You canāt tell me there was no build to counter or hits so fast that you couldnāt detect by scouting.
Blizzard said it bock certain build which was fast void even though agreement they did nerf voids timing. It was stupid and only allowed so fast voids could play with out being hard countered.
But no toss going fast voids and they need to do no matter what other race is doing.
According to you, there is no way to remove people who in majorityās opinion are harmful to the game. Basically ābalance team is UNTOUCHABLEā. There is nothing we can do to replace them with more credible and competent people.
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Correct. The decision is made by Blizzard, not the community. Iām also as a rule super unimpressed with people on the internet claiming to have the majority opinion.
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Even if i do this probably nobody will even listen to such low level player like me, so itās pointless.
I donāt want their names or identities - i just want them to know that they are dissapointing in what they do and SC2 community is frustrated and mostly wants them gone and replaced with unbiased, competent people.
Thatās not really correct. There have been suggestions on this forum in the past which made it into patches or unit reworks, and although I donāt remember the league of the players, they were definitely below master.
ok.
The SC2 community is not a monolith, unless you have a poll somewhere (which would probably have some selection bias, but letās ignore that for sake of argument), then I donāt think you or I or any other individual can really speak for the wider community.
Itās definitely biased, dude. Protoss were buffded to the moon, hit 45% of grandmaster and 61% winrates in the pro scene. You donāt get an outcome like that without bias. If a tree produces oranges, itās an orange tree. Itās literally that simple.
Anyone who is has an ounce of objectivity and has played ZvP at a gm level couldāve told you ZvP is the hardest match by far. Scroll through gm and see how many zergs are best in ZvZ and worst in ZvP. Yeah. You can feel it when you play. Every zvz is a free win and every ZvP feels like you are climbing mount Olympus.
I gave up on expecting sc2 to be a balanced game literally 6 years ago. Itās clear the people in charge did not have relevant professional experience and that they were tunnel visioned on Serral. Serral is a product of the multitasking requirements, not balance. It took them 6 years to realize what I saw coming back in 2018. Then again I am an expert in the field so maybe I am being unfair in my expectations. Still, itās very disappointing to the point I basically gave up on sc2. The collapse has been like watching an airplane fall, on fire, and splat to the ground in slow motion. Now itās a meme game where you flex your multitasking and laugh at how bad the design is. Even top streamers like Asmongold have weighed in on how bad sc2 is lmao.
Came across this, always wondered what stopped him from continuing with SC2, at 43th min plus has some convo with David Kimās decision. Frankly has a point, to me he is credible with all the exp he had. And to me this is all thanks to incredibly stupid units made starting with HotS
The 5 ways that Starcraft II BROKE MY HEART
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYsCD0D9788
BL infestor was among the darkest or worst experience Ive had , in 2011 after being deep in Diam only Master was not far, I lost so many games to BL infestor that I went down all the way to Demoted to plat.
But worry not with HotS came the crappiest units of all, idr if Cyclone came there or in LotV, but widow mine, Oracle, MSC , Swarm Host for sure came then.
Another gruesome to play against was SH, as Terran things should be better. You can chase them with hellbats, hellions in b lue flame or banshee. Unfortunately Nydus and SH worked too well even against Terran. My bases were slowly eaten by free units.
Then I discovered how to beat them, not chase them over the map while my bases slowly get shrunkā¦
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Dynasty_LE
Ghosts - snipe the heck out of every SH and lurker, no more chasing
And on this map:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Frost
When I got cheese after cheese after cheese, again THANK HOTS NEW UNITS
Oracle - entomb or worker harass
then goes Blink Stalkers
then goes DTs, then Archons
I found a way to beat Protoss often in early LotV all up to the patch in Nov 2017 / 2018
then they started, Proxy Tempest, Proxy VR, Warp + Immortal esp on this map
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Acid_Plant_LE
all this is one togetherā¦ I was like such disgusting play.
And then all the protos sh*ts to this day
Agree, at least show the percentage of TPZ and their level. I am really sad about the recent update, making Terran so hard to play with mass zelot and late game is extremely hard for Terran. By the way, im a master with 4700mmr in Asia server.
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