If I was in a stadium filled with 100,000 flat earthers are screaming at me that the earth is flat, this would not change what I know to be correct, that the earth is roughly spherical
AS I said, i get that almost everyone wants healers to heal.
I really, really do
I am a support main and thats my priority, personally
however
The rules do not line up with person preference, tho
I report players for gameplay sabotage when it is obvious that they aren’t making a good faith effort to win a competitive match.
That clearly includes healers not doing their job, which is probably the most common throwing/deranking tactic I’ve seen. I imagine deranking is boring, killing people with Mercy is a way to break the monotony. Still reported though.
Just depends. Refusing to heal vs trying to win on dmg.
Team kill comes up, I’m rein at 59 hp, I expect mercy to heal me.
Get ult charge, don’t make me wait on a health pack out of position and vulnerable over dmg.
There’s really no reason for zen not to heal,
Ana and brig have no choice. So between Moira mercy lucio and bapt, I judge accordingly
Why? My message is clearly seen in lines.
The problem is establishing intent.
Megadodo is right in the sense that you cannot report someone for “playing badly”
You can, however, report someone that is intentionally throwing.
This is where it gets sticky though. How can you establish intent?
Is that battle Mercy actually trying their heart out and wanting to win? Then you, technically, should not report them.
Are they doing it to sabotage the game? Then, yes, that is technically reportable.
Establishing intent is notoriously difficult, though, because people can simply lie about their intentions.
Personally I would consider the reports legitimate based on the rationale here:
One does not ‘accidentally’ play battle mercy that is a choice they make. Spending all game with your pistol out and never using your staff? That is gameplay that the player knows or ought to have know would be disruptive to their team.
I agree with you but the ToS says otherwise. If they are actually trying to win then, technically, your reports are false reports.
I don’t agree with the ToS, but it is the “law of the land” of sorts.
As noted in dev comments on the reporting changes:
“For a player to be reported for Gameplay Sabotage, they must intentionally be trying to disrupt and harass their teammates or actively trying to lose.”
Playing in an intentionally disruptive way satisfies the first part of that condition, it isn’t necessary to believe they are trying to lose.
Taking main healer and then refusing to heal because you didn’t want to wait in DPS queue is intentionally disruptive.
You have to establish intent though. That was the main point of my first post on this thread.
If that battle Mercy is trying their heart out and trying to win and not trying to “disrupt” then you cannot report them.
The issue is establishing intent.
I want to repeat that I do agree with you and I think they should be reported.
Except, it isnt
using icewall to block one’s team is is disruptive
using teleporter to lead your teammates off a cliff is disruptive
etc etc
Disrupt means to cause disorder or turmoil.
What do you think happens to your team when the main healer refuses to do their job in an appropriate manner?
Establishing intent is an unreasonable benchmark, in that it would make reporting any sort of trolling or gameplay sabotage inherently false.
If, on the balance of probabilities based on observed behaviour (and we have replays now too) you legitimately believe the player was intentionally disruptive or throwing then you should report.
In the CoC (Blizzard Support - Blizzard's In-Game Code of Conduct) states:
Behavior that intentionally detracts from others’ enjoyment (such as griefing, throwing, feeding, etc.) is unacceptable. We expect our players to treat each other with respect and promote an enjoyable environment. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzard’s decision, and violating these guidelines will result in account and gameplay restrictions.
While we encourage you to report players that are behaving in a disrespectful manner, falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay is also unacceptable and will result in penalties to your account.
As long as your report is in good faith and not made with the intent to restrict the other player’s gameplay then you should be ok.
Ultimately blizzard will review, or delegate their review to whatever system the deem fit, and judge accordingly.
I would submit that no reasonable player, having played enough games to get to comp mode, would believe that playing pistol only mercy is not going to be disruptive to their team.
The ice wall intentionally prevents the player from leaving spawn, ergo this is a disruption of their activities
The teleporter off a cliff intentionally results in teammates death
Not healing doesnt stop a player from any activity they wish to engage in.
…all that said…
I have stated multiple times that I personally prefer my support steam members to heal, and as I support main, I heal first, all else is secondary.
but rules are rules
Well, if you believe ignoring your teammates ‘i need healing’ prompts and letting them die on screen to you can DPS when you are main healer is not intentionally disruptive, then don’t report it.
Other people reasonably, in my opinion, believe that it is. Game mods would need to make a call when they get the reports.
That’s not true necessarily. If someone is jumping off of the stage over and over and walling teammates in spawn with Mei that is very clearly intentionally disruptive.
I do agree that having to establish intent is a bit too much.
The problem I have with this is people simply report for sabotage because they didn’t play well. I don’t trust the interpretations of this community in this regard.
I’ve been told I was throwing for not staying on heal aura as Lucio.
I can’t agree, again, because people will report for sub-par gameplay in “good faith” without any ill intent.
And I would agree with you.
I’m on your side, mostly.
I get that you are saying that not being healed detracts from your enjoyment of the game
I do understand that…I assure you, I do.
I want to be healed as well.
question is - if player x plays pistol only Mercy or purple beam only Moira, are they intending to detract from your enjoyment, or are they trying to win the game in this fashion? Keep in mind that player x probably does not know you at all…a random teammate who almost certainly has nothing against you personally
A player is not required to have sound on to play the game
Not really, I’d avoid and move on. There’s also the option currently to also fill in support or swap to a self healing dps.
I get it, those types of people are incredibly frustrating to play against. I’m rather reluctant to report things like that because a lot of the times the “dps” supports do occasianally use their healing, or they’re healing but I’m taking so much damage I don’t even notice it.
There’s also the type of person who see Mercy take out her pistol to defend herself and report her for "dpsing "
It’s in their kit, they’re using it. Poor gameplay isn’t reportable. Nothing can stop you from reporting it, but personally I don’t.
The only time I’ll report is if they’re ignoring the objective to jump off cliffs, say hello, or run around doing nothing.
Also calling out specifically dodo in the op is unnecessary.
I mean, anyone CAN report just by calling up the prompt, for whatever reasons they want.
The question is, having regard to the CoC and published reporting rules whether or not those reports are legitimate, or ill-intended enough to warrant an action against the reporter. Ultimately only blizzard or their delegated system can make that call when they decide to take action or not.
For the reasons I’ve stated I would not feel wrong about reporting a battle mercy or DPS moira, or that I would be guilty of an actionable offence for doing so. In reality though I would probably just avoid and go next.
At most ranks SR is performance based so you don’t need to report people playing poorly to get them out of your games. Even if they get carried, they will gain little SR and when they lose they will lose more.
Furthermore, the problem with reporting people for how they play is that it has to be very, very, very, VERY obvious or you WILL get a lot of false reports come through. This is why the only gameplay sabotage that is considered reportable is literally griefing allies to their deaths and standing still in front of enemies so they can kill you for free.
You can’t turn something like healers not healing into a reportable offense because people have proven to have VERY bad awareness of what other people are doing in their games. Any healer main knows that you can be working your butt off and people will claim you haven’t healed all game just because they glanced at you once and you happened to be doing something other than healing. The same applies for tanking and healing as well. No one has enough evidence to make these reports unless they themselves are throwing by watching you all game to see everything you’ve done.