I mean what map what point? There are certain maps with insane sight-line advantages and no where to stage dives or flanks. While that’s true, the attitude of “wow snipers op no one likes this this is dumb” is a defeatist mentality trying something is better than complaining and giving up
Just run Sombra and 1 clip her in the head when she is scoped.
I prefer the “fix the game” approach.
In exhaustive detail in exactly why and how to do that.
HotTake: Snipers are strangling Playerbase Growth
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Yeah dog, I read all of this already, and have seen spilos takes. Youre not posting any new info. Also reddit is full of garbage players and garbage people. there’s alot in that that is not a good take
and it also leaves out a MAJOR FACTOR is that 1/3 games in higher elo has a hacker in it
Can’t even enjoy a quick skirmish. They don’t enjoy people having fun.
this is probably the way to nerf her when they do. fall off range, so that may happen. i rather take that then a charge up time nerf
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the hero we all need
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Its the only choice really - letting even a bad widow freefire on your team is a very efficient way of losing fights.
If i get desperate, i’ll even go full flank as moira - doesnt work against decent widows tho.
The simplest solution to the widow problem is to magnify targeting movement from moving or being hit while zoomed in specifically for Widow.
If you’re zoomed in, it should be hard to aim while in motion or while being hit, like…EVERY OTHER SNIPER IN GAMING.
This both reduces slingshot insta kills using grapple and lets harrassment serve as a soft counter to Widow…little low damage shots making it impossible to aim and therefore wipe teams at will.
I just got banned this morning for “gameplay sabotage” because my team reported me for throwing by diving a pocketed widow all game but we still lost lol, I’m not feeling too appreciated these days by my teams lol
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My job as Ball is to:
Dive and kill hitscans
Assassinate enemy supports
Make sure the enemy team has no fun while Simultaneously piss off my team for not holding a shield for them and getting spam reported for throwing lol
This change would only encourage more far playing and incontestable widowmakers. That’s the main issue.
And when i’m playing support? Any attempt to dive her means i’m not healing, and my team will die.
if you got banned for sabotage you had to have done actual sabotage. You’re full of crap
I’m tired of it too. I was hopeful a new season meant Id see less Widow/Hanzo but it hasnt helped in the slightest. So I’m just continuing to not play now. Idc how they do it. I dont find them fun and I’m not wasting my time on this game as long as one of the “sniper” duos are in every other game.
you are continuing to “not play” but sit around on forums to complain about sniper gameplay. Seems like you really are invested if you ask me
One shotting Assassins has to go. It allows for accidental hits, and removes the team aspect of a team fight which is contradicting to a game claiming to be competitive.
To add an extension to that… Junkrat Rip tire one-shot has to be nerfed aswell. It should be nerfed to do 80% of the health.
“Hey bro, I got RipTire, be ready to combo with me”
“Alright ill use my tactical visor and finish them off”
Or vice versa.
It’s a team based game.
Invested enough to see if the game is fun now, sure. Ill take a look after the next balance patch and if they’re still in every other game Im just pushing OW2 into the garbage bin. I did it during the content drought and Ill do it again. Its a video game. One that was largely fun for six~ years. I hope it gets fun again but if isnt its not a hard drug. Ill just resume playing one of the infinitely large backlog of fun games or one of the 200 daily pc game releases. 
Didn’t think it was that common in PC, but I’d believe it on console with XIMers.
That said, my focus is on overall player retention and growth.
So from my perspective high ELO contributes next to nothing to player growth, beyond the marketing/influencer and “inspirational” angle.
But either way it’s a problem that needs fixing, from whatever angle people want to take it from.
And also I did cover that, briefly:
Quite the opposite in fact…if anyone could shoot her from any distance causing disruption, without being threatened, she would be forced to find a new spot, which is perfectly fair.