Symmetra maybe, but itâs not like thatâs a useful strat⌠Youâd have to throw away 2 hero slots to make that work, and then as soon as the enemy team knows what youâre doing, it doesnât work anymore
Moira and Bastion have no synergy at all though. Whoever tried that doesnât understand either of the characters. Rework Mercy was exactly the same as old Mercy, damage + heal.
Symm was the only truly new strat that might work but it can easily be shut down. And it is like that with every character and every new release. My first thought when Sombra was released was âwould it help a Deadeye?â People try to find synergy and what works. Its going to happen regardless of whether Bastion is dumpstered and ignored or not.
This was like, literally PTR strats. All people really knew about Moira at the time is that she heals a ton. Perfect to keep Bastion alive through basically anything.
The draw for PTR Valk Mercy + Bastion was Bastion being chain rezzed.
So it still relies on Mercy babysitting the Bastion. Nothing changed.
Doesnât change the fact that it is going to happen with any and all characters.
These arenât really Bastion specific⌠Moira heals a ton, which is really good for [character]. Mercy can chain res [character]⌠It works with anyoneâŚ
My statement was not to say that those strats work. PTR experimental strats are memey as hell and 99% of them are trash.
The point I was trying to make is that Bastion is a hero that gets exponentially mroe powerful if you babysit him, so anything that gives him security or mobility in the form of CD Teleporter is going to be the first thing people try within minutes of the mechanic being added. That is so baked into his character that itâll take a hell of a tonal shift to get away from that attitude of playing around Bastion.
You mean like the Bastion mains have suggested?
Did they? I never got any straight answers in the (rather long) exchange I had with some of them last night.
Hereâs a thread about my personal favorite âreworkâ idea
Not really sure if this one would be considered a rework or not⌠it changes him quite a bit, but not massively like Symm
Hereâs a thread about my take on a Tank on E rework
Why are links grey now? Back in my day, they were blueâŚ
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From what I understand, they want to remove or reduce Ironclad which is what helps Bastion be pocketed so much. Its the flat damage negation on top of his subpar kit that forces him to commit to bunker comps. If Bastion was more independent, bunkers wouldnât be as much of a problem.
Bastion relies on being somewhere stupid and cheesy and getting you with tons of damage before you even know heâs there, or being behind so many people that I have to wipe out most of the team just to get to him all the while he rails on us.
So in effect Bastion can overheal himself, but only he can apply that effect?
I can dig that. Flat DR is lame anyway. The other buffs to self heal seem reasonable as well.
My main criticism of that idea is that while thatâs true for healing, it isnât for shields. And Bastion requires both of those forms of pocketing currently. Having a Bastion thatâs even deadlier behind shields than he currently is might promote double shield tank turtle spam even more (old Bastion was never in the game when Orisa was, who adds a LOT of shield uptime to the game).
Correct. Only Bastion can give himself âIronclad armorâ, and healers canât heal it. This also means that if he has even 1 extra armor, a healer canât heal him because they wonât be able to restore his armor.
Yeah, I really dislike a constant damage resistance⌠thatâs what makes him hard to balance around, not his damageâŚ
Bastion relies on you allowing him to set up in cheesy spots⌠Old Bastion relied on repositioning after kills to keep the enemy team on their toes, much like Widowmaker and Hanzo. New Bastion doesnât really do that because the damage resistance rewards staying in Sentry instead of using Recon to escape, and his inconsistent damage means he needs to shoot at the enemy much longer to secure a kill, meaning he needs to stay in Sentry mode longer.
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âallowingâ lel. Not much I can do if Iâm in spawn, or the team gets wiped, or we fall back to regroup and push with the team all there. My point isnât that bastion is the sneakiest robot in the game, itâs that his kit and design doesnât fit into the current overwatch so he is relegated to cheese-mongering or pirate ship.
One thing I understood from the term viable on the forums is that it means making a hero must pick and thatâs what you want in Bastionâs case?
Iâm pretty sure it would take less then a week for the forums to be flooded from âNerf Bastionâ threads.
The only reason orisa shield and mercy blocking works is just cause of poor teamwork . if you get your team to ambush them u can easily kill them
Id say bastion is viable. He is used in all levels of play, from bronze to pro. Thing is u need actuall brains to utilize him effectively in other scenarios than pirate ship⌠and many people dont know how to do that⌠probably cuz the game is dumbed down a considerable ammount.
overbuff
the average bastions across all ranks is 22k, if he was meta that numbers would be even higher
Having a viable Bastion would also reinforce the pirate ship strat even more, to the point of being completely broken.