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Whatās so bad about having him viable? What difference does having him meta from someone like Soldier keep it from actually happening? 
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Bastion being viable invites the most boring gameplay imaginable.
Rein orisa blocking the bastion, mercy damage boosting the bastion,
Do you really want this?
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But is that the only viable Bastion strat? I believe that comp only works because heās too weak on his own.
Doesnāt having a viable Bastion allow for opening up different new strats for him?
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Because the bottom third of players probably still have trouble countering him. Even in his weakened state.
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No it isnāt the only strat but it would be even stronger with him being stronger as well
I donāt mind him viable I just donāt want him to be oppressive which would be easy to do with him if buffed wrongly
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Something something low skill cap, high reward screeching.
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because bastion is anti everything if you donāt kill him first
he just deletes everything within seconds, he needs a rework if they want him to be viable
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How do you buff other Bastion playstyles without buffing this one? People have already experienced bunker Bastion meta. It was the worst thing to ever happen to the game and people will leave in droves if they have to sit through it again, as itās fun for nobody but the Bastion.
Itās pretty braindead to play around so people will default to it, and it requires coordination to counter, something thatās missing on the ladder, so it will be very successful.
There is a reason why whenever something new is added into the game, the first thing people try is āhow does Bastion work with it?ā. Because he is such a ball of extremes he will never be in a stable balanced place.
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Having to keep an eye out for a Bastion popping around a corner to turret us all to hell in under 3 seconds isnāt very fun (Of course, Iām sure Iām not able to use the fun defense since Iām not asking for a Mercy nerf )
So no, I donāt want to see Bastion more than i have to already, especially now that Symm doesnāt have her piercing orbs.
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Hereās the thing: on console I see more bastions then Iāve seen In AGES.
Why? Because bastion is a HARD counter to this healing meta. Heās pretty damn viable actually just needs a little help
Its because we are all scared. Anyone that played the first part of season 4 knows what im talking about.
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I think heās pretty viable now. Heās the type of hero you arenāt suppose to play every game in every situation though. To turn him into a hero like that would break him. He works best when you have the element of surprise or when youāre defending the last point and you need to clear a bunch of people out.
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I think most people would be okay with him being viable if he got a major rework. As he is right now both his strengths and limitations make it so heās really only used in cheese strats. I donāt have to explain why people donāt want cheese strats to be more viableā¦
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Canāt argue with that, i Like playing bastion to goof around in QP, and even in the chaos that are those matches if i can use his Recon config properly iām almost always killing someone, i can to a degree duel most DPS heroes with him and if a Tankers walk up to me iāll just sentry since there is no CC other them a Rein charge to stop me from doing so.
In a coordinated team on the other hand, he becomes a impossible target to take down, 2 shields mean you canāt burn through tem fast enough, and even if you could, 2 healers pocketing him is enough to make him immortal due to passive.
Diving him doesnāt work anymore as well since the only effective thing against his damage Besides Deflect (which he can just wait out) was D.vaās DM, but now that it lasts only 2 instead of 4 sec its not enough time to take him down.
So now there isnāt a viable strategy to deal with a bastion cheese, you either heavily outplay the team trying that or lose.
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āHe isnāt a skilled heroā or some rubbish like that.
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Being mowed down by Bastion feels even more cheap than being deleted by Hanzo or Junkrat and thatās saying something
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Can confirm this is a myth.
On topic, I donāt want Bastion to be meta, but if he was about Meiās strength(minus the bugs) it would great.
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Personally I liked the direction they were taking bastion by putting more power in his Recon mode. I just donāt think they distributed enough into Recon for it to be used often.
Why not make Recon more powerful so that if the ideal setup (a double barrier with damage boost) is unavailable he can also be more viable by being a more mobile version of himself.
He already has a tighter spread with Recon, and his self heal is superior to that of Soldiers in many ways save that he cannot shoot while healing in recon (or sentry mode). What if he could heal himself while shooting in recon at the same time? Would that be to much?
Because people are afraid of change, mostly ones to heroes that actually make them viable.
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My response is much bigger than just Bastion, but Iāll bite. I think the game is much better if it has niche heroesā¦ and I would definitely put Bastion in that category. If you design every hero so generic that they can be played in every situation, the game is boring.
You keep messing with Bastion until he is āviableā, as you put it, and he ends up being a slightly different Soldier 76 with a different model.
Iām not against reasonable changes to Bastion, but I am against changing him so much he can be used at any time on any map with any comp.
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