Why does Mei need no drop off on icicle?

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Gotta love the forums. Absolutely filled with people too concerned with their “main” to see the bigger picture… Seriously, this whole thread makes me want to quit the game. how can people be so blind???

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Gotta love the forums. Full of people who use ad-hominem and assume that people are being biased.

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Nerf Mei

I never thought i’d see the dei…
This thread, is really not okei.

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She sucks enough as is, and the icicle is pretty slow.

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To avoid faulty information. Mei’s icicle is the fastest projectile in the game.

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No one is saying her damage needs to be high. I’d be surprised if anyone actually wants that. Damage still has to be a respectable amount to keep her as a worthy pick if she is going to be a damage dealer. Otherwise, why wouldn’t I pick a better utility character who could also fill another role, like Zarya?

I genuinely remain unconvinced that this is a problem or the flaw of some poor game design. Her icicle shot isn’t RNG, it takes aim to land. It’s as RNG as any other projectile being spammed if that’s what you mean? And again, the icicles are not a serious threat to tanks nor should the snipers be consistently losing to the icicle. Her utility is strong, but pure utility does not work in this game. You need another reason to pick a hero to justify that utility.

Even at close range, her freeze can be blocked by barriers and removed by Zarya bubbles. The time it takes for her freeze to actually, well, freeze you is long enough to allow counter play. Whether it’s sleep darts, stuns, boops, etc. She’s one of the few characters in the game that needs time forher effects to take hold before being able to go for a possible kill. While being melee.

I don’t think this is bad design at allm characters like Rein or D.Va both have ranged attacks (firestrike and micro missles respectively). Both are either melee or effectively melee (fall off range hits D.Va hard). Both I think are solid additions. These are attached to tanks with long CDs. The trade off to Mei’s is that it is unreliable and even when landing perfect shots will not kill a full health character with exception to Tracer. That seems fair to me attached to a character intended to be a damage dealer.

I mentioned this earlier, all this change does is make it so tanks can’t literally ignore a Mei who can’t get up close. Even when she can, she’s putting herself in great danger to maybe CC a tank, a class that has multiple ways to interrupt her freezing. Her freeze isn’t a bad against tanks as you’re making it out to be due to the time it takes to actually take effect.

I think what I find more frustrating than Mei when I play someone like Rein is Doomfist or Brigitte, because I don’t have much in the way of counter play to reliably stop being knocked around or stunned without exposing myself or my team to danger.

I actually really like her design. She’s fun to play as but also against. Because I know when going up against her there are many trade offs to playing Mei and everything she does allows you time to counter play. So I’m not upset when I die to her, because I generally can realize what I did wrong and how to adjust my own gameplay.

I don’t main her. I do play her on occasion. It’s frustrating seeing this, as I’m not doing this out of some perverse way of keeping my main strong or over powered. I’m arguing why I believe you are wrong because I genuinely disagree and play a wide variety of characters. I do not think she is poorly designed at all.

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I think he was directing this more at me. Considering I told him I main Mei. Which I did not have to do but felt it important for transparency’s sake.

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I know, but the part where they also mention the forums are “filled” with people having ulterior reasons for their arguments (like maining a character) just sort of bothers me? I think we’re allowed to have different perspectives is all, and it’s frustrating seeing opinions so easily written off.

And I agree, I think the transparency is a good thing man haha.

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I know it… Tired of people just trying to dismiss good arguments with personal attacks and baseless accusations.

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Please no, I enjoy out sniping bad Widows thinking they’re untouchable a mile in the back.

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mei is not good enough to cry about nerfs. And Hanzo/widow oneshot Mei, while Mei need atleast 2 hits.

Also there’s stun+fth cree

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You’re right

She’s severly underpowered and is really only useful for stalling points 90% of the time.

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you got killed by a mei because you don’t move as a sniper ?

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I knew you were a sniper main before I even clicked on your profile lol. Stop getting salty about Mei shooting you from a distance. Your weapon is twice as good as hers. If you die to her, watch your positioning and try again.

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I mean, yeah if you want her nerfed, go for it.

Just make sure she has 100% of her bugs fixed for once before we do that. :smiley: Cause homegirl got some pretty bad bugs that ruin her

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What? Genji is most definitely a close to midrange hero. Why is okay for him to work on ranges but not for Mei?

Being unfun to play against is not a reason to not buff Mei when she needed buffs.

It most definitely did something to her viability. The multiple freeze only helps her to freeze a single enemy better due to the fact a other enemy can’t bodyblock it anymore. Thinking it can freeze multiple enemies constantly is just wrong.

I don’t think Mei’s kit is unhealthy for the game, but it would be unhealthy if she became meta.

That’s sounds like bad design to me.

Then what was the point of reworking Symmetra and Torbjorn? They worked best on 2CP on defense.

Is Mei not a counter to tank? Why limit her to some maps only?

What?

Mei was an unviable F-tier hero. She needed buffs. It that’s simple. She is in an appropriate spot atm.

Not always does a hero need a compensation buff or nerf.

Bastion is buffed on PTR. Where are his compensation nerfs?

I disagree.

Pickrates AND winrates tells something about a hero’s viability. Mei always had a pickrate below 1% and was the second lowest played hero. (She even was less picked than Bastion at some point.) Her winrate was fine. This shows me that she was never being played despite having different metas in the past. It doesn’t matter if she is situational and niche, she had no place in the game.

So they buffed her and rightfully so if you’d ask me.

I’m a Mei main.

Tanks do not freeze faster than squishies. Go play Mei if you doubt me.

The slow of their abilities is being stacked with the slow of Mei’s freeze:

I guess this is what makes her a good counter to tanks.

Tanks do not need more HP because they are being countered by a tank counter? That’s just bad balancing. (Am I glad you’re not in charge of balancing.)

You should. He’s in charge of balancing.

Mei’s current design is bad for you.
She is balanced and not in need for buffs or nerfs. (Orisa could use some buffs though.)

They buffed Mei to a point where many players, me included, think she is balanced. There is no need to nerf (or buff) her right now.

It’s clear to me that you just don’t like dealing with Mei and care little for balance.
Asking changes for a hero you don’t like is not the right way to balance a hero.

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Seeing this kind of posts reminds me of 2016 when everyone was still new to the game and there was no competitive mode. It was during this time period Mei received the nickname Devil. But players quickly became better and realize Mei wasn’t strong and not hard to counter.

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Instead of quiting, why not improving your gameplay?

You seem to be the one who is blind. Many other players have already pointed out Mei doesn’t need changes and is actually on the underperforming side.

Mei has counters and can be outplayed. Tr playing her counters and exploit her weaknesses.

According to your profile are you a Reinhardt main. Mei is your counter, whether you like it or not. Try playing Orisa or Zarya instead if the enemy has a Mei. They can mess with Mei big time.

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She needed that buff, otherwise she would be useless and less picked than McCree, Hanzo, S76, Widowmaker or Ashe.
I made time ago a thread to explain that need:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/the-meis-icicles-buff-is-fair/146591?u=str1kernaut-2514

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by the way you think mei is bad for widow?
ashe is comming and it is another long range killer…
im sure youll complain even more about it when she will hit competitive…
(watch your back, dont stay still and watch your position.)

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Who said Mei is close range hero? #SniperMei

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