Not Lucio. Or Brig. Or Moira (she can alternate her orbs with left/right click obvi).
Still. I hear what youre saying. Tanks in general would have a better time of it too if their supports were forced to focus on their team to get their best value, rather than three mentioned supports who really dont do that to get theirs.
Bap’s 1vs1 prowess has been unchecked for ages, I agree it has no place in this game. Illari and Zen have had their power level scaled back well enough imo, but Bap has remained mildy OP for quite literally all of OW2.
Perhaps Illari has never seemed oppressive to me cuz Bap’s presence makes her feel tame in comparison You can shoot the turret, can’t stop Bap from pressing two buttons and bouncing away.
I know we’re in agreement but just to touch a point-
Lucius duel potential is swayed majorly agressive or defensive depending on his song of choice and his self heal is scuffed in the first place so he can’t just sustain to win most of the time realistically
Brig is brig Lol 15 hps is nothing tbh and her burst combo is hardly lethal after the Hp increases, she also has among the most limited range in the game and can’t really take duels so much as defend herself desperately most of the time
Moira has hard capped dps potential. She has a fantastic survival rate in duels, but in 1v1 fuels she has the severe lower hand in actually confirming a kill outside the lowest of ranks. Also, damage + heal is her exact utility, it’s all she has, so she has to have it. If Moira could headshot with a very small crit box, even if they overall massively reduced her suck size, I assure everyone she’d have the games most problematic design by far.
Illari will always be a bad pick cause she cannot really save her teammates like she has no suzu no nade no sleep no beat no rally no life grip no lamp all she does is apply more damage but then at the same time Zen has discord and damage plus he has trans but she will always be my fav support :>
Yep i am sorry it the ultimate where u have to think so much to even use. Does the kirko have suzu? Does the sigma have the succ move does orisa have the spinning top move is Dva in mech and have resource to use defence martix? Does reaper have going ghost? Does tracer have recall? Does moria have fade? Does genji have reflect?
Considering they also increased the healing for everyone other than Illari from 30 to 40, wouldn’t it be more akin to saying Junkrat would deal less damage to who was in his trap, but his teammates now did more damage to who was in the trap?
Not to say the change is good or bad. But saying that the change to Illari only hurts the character for no reason doesn’t feel quite right, as it also comes with a buff to healing her teammates. It went from 30 HPS for everyone to 20 HPS for just Illari but 40 HPS to her teammates. Again, I’m not commenting on whether or not it’s a good change, just pointing out that it’s not solely a nerf for no reason.
You decrease your team’s sustain, to go for the Mercy, when in reality your team may need you to match the Mercy’s, which isn’t hard to do btw.
So now DPS become less effective then they were before, tank has to hide a whole lot more, all for you as the support to attempt to kill a Mercy who probably has so much masterful movement that one support isn’t going to be enough if the 2 dps and 1 tank cou)dn’t do it.
So why in God’s name is your mentality, “I’ll do it myself” just to hinder 3 other teammates?
We then lose out on sustain we lose out on dps and protection, and nothing is fighting against the dps passive getting thrown our way.
Flex supports need to realize they cannot drop healing entirely. If an enemy support is doing well and healing a ton, that might be more of a sign to up your sustain game, not your dps game.
You don’t have the dps passive, you’re never as tanky as the tank, and the need to utilize your utility for the team is highly encourage at this point of the scenario if the other support is actually supporting that well.
You cannot go full support Rambo anymore. It doesn’t work.
And this is exactly why next time it’s Illari’s turn to be the meta support, they’ll buff her weapon in some way to make her being able to kill more attractive than her needing to heal. Healing is healing and utility is utility but killing beats all of them.
Unfortunately sometimes you gotta. If the enemy is running a Mercy who is rotating targets and providing a ton of healing, pressuring her out of position can sometimes be enough to swing a fight because she can’t just be wherever and get free value. Playing support isn’t about only healing or sustaining, sometimes it’s about killing the enemies yourself or at least pressuring people to stay positioned well or punishing them when they don’t.
I’ve swapped to Illari plenty of times to help my team counter a Pharah or Echo and it can be very successful because you’re helping your team be successful by supporting their damage with your own. Sometimes you do need that Mercy, but sometimes you need that Illari or Bap or Zen too. Support is about having the flexibility to give your team what it needs to be successful which is not always flat healing.
That’s why the category is “Support” and not “Healer.”
The best shift in mindset. Reward the teamplay, sacrifice the solo play. Supports more than anyone make the whole game feel worse for all involved when they aren’t doing their primary duty of keeping a team up.
Clearly it is not a nerf. Pylon was buffed to heal more. Also, despite self-healing reduction, this ability still beats what most other healers have, in my opinion. You don’t need to waste a cooldown on yourself, just be in range of your thing. It will still heal you pretty quickly.
Did I say “drop healing entirely?” Those three supports I mentioned can heal passively while going for dmg. I mentioned those three specifically because of their high dmg output, not because I want to “Go Rambo.” Youre reading into what I said a bit too much.
Youre refuting me rather oddly as well. If an enemy support is doing well, thats a sign I need put out more sustain? Thats a dumb generalization, that could just as easily be a sign my team is not closing elims, and I should be looking to help close those out instead of spamming healing on a 75% HP teammate.
Yeah your response is overdramatic imo. Did you read what Itami and I discussed after the comment you highlighted? There’s context here you’ve ignored mate.
Zen gets no self-heal whatsoever and still does fine.
I think they wanted to balance her away from being essentially a rather unkillable flank DPS and toward actually helping her team. Which I feel fairly neutral about, all things considered.
Illari feels really strong right now after this change and could be very powerful in the right hands. I am feeling Illari and Brig this season are strong (less so together). Though I could just be good at both. It is hard to tell.
You can shoot the turret, can’t stop Bap from pressing two buttons and bouncing away.