What will supports look like in Overwatch 2?

[Cake-12334]

@AndyB-11735

such as removing the stun from Brigitte

I say this with Brig as my healer main:

Good riddance

5 damage short range single target stun feels like a residual piece of launch Brig still hanging around but in a pitiful weakened state

I hope by removing hard CC from her, they can replace/tweak it to have actual mobility bc that’s what I used it for most of the time anyway

[Moira-21906]

@AndyB-11735

In our playtests, having one less tank made it clear to us that tanks generally contribute much more damage than they mitigate, even on retail. Because of the drop in overall damage being dealt out, Supports were actually too effective at keeping the entire team alive, so we’re testing a tuned down healing output across the board to ensure that teamfights still resolve in a way that doesn’t feel drawn out or frustrating to play against.

Curious, will you be looking at damage as well? since the addition of Baptiste and Sigma the damage output has been much higher

Specifically Baptiste

We have a support that has high AOE healing, high damage, one of the best abilities that can save their team from many ultimates and one of the most fast charging ults, which increases both healing and damage outputs and they pretty much cancelled Moira.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

@Cake-12334

I hope by removing hard CC from her, they can replace/tweak it to have actual mobility bc that’s what I used it for most of the time anyway

Well if I had to guess, they’d probably go somewhere in this direction.

@GreyFalcon-11737

BRIGITTE

GOAL: Makes Brig into a mobile frontline brawler, who heals with inspire whenever she’s doing damage. Instead of a backline CC-bot. Should make Brig substantially more popular in lower ELOs, and less of an “anti-fun” pick for high tier.

General

• Health increased to 200hp+50armor
• Self-Heal Passive, similar to Mercy

Barrier Shield

• BarrierHP increased to 400 up from 250.
• Movement penalty reduced to 10%, down from 30%.

Whipshot

• Whipshot on an enemy = Instant refresh of her ShieldBash cooldown, and activates inspire

ShieldBash

• No stun
• Damage increased to 35, up from 5
• Can travel through enemy barriers

RepairPack

• Cannot travel through enemy barriers, matrix or kinetic grasp.
• Heals 130 over 4 seconds, instead of 110 over 2 seconds

[Wanderer-1127]

Exactly, Stun is just more than “lol you can’t move”.

It presents interesting situations, almost every match against a reaper is a game of chicken on when to use the stun or when they will use Death Blossom. If I get pressured or an opportunity to get a kill by using the stun presents itself, should you use it?, even if you know Reaper has Death Blossoms?

Also Reaper has to be aware of where Brig is and if she has used the stun.

If they remove that interaction, Reaper can just go “lol ult” without a worry, well that sucks.

And that is just ONE interaction that is going to disappear (In the hypothetical case that ults can be interrupted in OW2).

If Brig is just a another Moira-esque support, it will be devastating to be honest.

[Cake-12334]

@GreyFalcon-11737

Instant refresh of her ShieldBash cooldown

Wasn’t this a test from the april fools patch?

I remember doing bash+whip+bash all instantly and laughing even tho it doesn’t work well in reality bc you whip your target out of your bash range unless it’s a big tank

[AndyB-11735]

@Moira-21906

Curious, will you be looking at damage as well? since the addition of Baptiste and Sigma the damage output has been much higher

I said this in the thread last week, but it bears repeating here: none of our hero design and balance changes for OW2 are being made in a vacuum. A change as fundamental as going from 6v6 to 5v5 has far reaching implications and requires us to examine every part of hero balance and design.

[Toast-22632]

@AndyB-11735

My goal in being here is to cut down on the rumor mill and to provide you all with as much insight as I can as to what’s happening

It’s definitely appreciated!

Have you heard if there is any consideration being put into dps heroes who, at least on paper, may heavily underperform in the new 5v5 format? For example with significantly less shielding and faster gameplay how will slower projectile heroes such as Junkrat, Sym etc compete with mid-long ranged hitscans?

[Bakkusōdo-1851]

I’m pretty sure you guys said this in the live stream back in May, but is it true that flashbang is being removed? Just wanted to confirm

[Wanderer-1127]

Well it sounds more like a toxic relationship lol.

A company that has ignored us for so long, just happens to get back when they need something (they need us to buy OW2) and everyone is acting like they are the best person in the room?

[Aini-11520]

@Wanderer-1127

Exactly, Stun is just more than “lol you can’t move”.

It presents interesting situations, almost every match against a reaper is a game of chicken on when to use the stun or when they will use Death Blossom. If I get pressured or an opportunity to get a kill by using the stun presents itself, should you use it?, even if you know Reaper has Death Blossoms?

Also Reaper has to be aware of where Brig is and if she has used the stun.

If they remove that interaction, Reaper can just go “lol ult” without a worry, well that sucks.

And that is just ONE interaction that is going to disappear (In the hypothetical case that ults can be interrupted in OW2).

If Brig is just a another Moira-esque support, it will be devastating to be honest.

I don’t know how the game will play but I certainly hope we don’t lose all ways of interrupting ults. It’ll be hella annoying getting blossomed for free. Also, there are quite a few heroes that would be VERY annoying to play against in their current form without stuns.

[AndyB-11735]

@Toast-22632

Have you heard if there is any consideration being put into dps heroes who, at least on paper, may heavily underperform in the new 5v5 format? For example with significantly less shielding and faster gameplay how will slower projectile heroes such as Junkrat, Sym etc compete with mid-long ranged hitscans?

I’m not prepared to talk about DPS today.

Apologies!

[Cake-12334]

This is a shot in the dark but can we expect more flying heroes, ever again?

Or are Pharah and Echo doomed/granted the curse/blessing of being the only “flying” heroes for all of time?

ps sorry for how many replies you’re probably getting…it’s just exciting to have a dev actually interacting with us

[ChibiFox-11511]

@Bakkusōdo-1851

I’m pretty sure you guys said this in the live stream back in May, but is it true that flashbang is being removed? Just wanted to confirm

This is actually interesting to me, since my first ever post on the old forums, was a suggestion for the Cowboy’s flashbang to be replaced with something else.

[Toast-22632]

@AndyB-11735

I’m not prepared to talk about DPS today…

@AndyB-11735

today.

Hmmmm

@AndyB-11735

Apologies!

That’s fine!

[AndyB-11735]

@Bakkusōdo-1851

I’m pretty sure you guys said this in the live stream back in May, but is it true that flashbang is being removed? Just wanted to confirm

It is something we’re considering

[Bakkusōdo-1851]

Ah good to know, thanks for the reply!

[ChibiFox-11511]

You’re doing so good at your job, and it is highly appreciated.

Just had to say that, carry on.

[GreyFalcon-11737]

@ChibiFox-11511

@Bakkusōdo-1851

I’m pretty sure you guys said this in the live stream back in May, but is it true that flashbang is being removed? Just wanted to confirm

This is actually interesting to me, since my first ever post on the old forums, was a suggestion for the Cowboy’s flashbang to be replaced with something else.

I mean it’s probably getting replaced with a Sleep, a Hack, or a Root.

Or some weird version of a counterstrike flashbang, or Paladins style Maeve Ult.

[Bakkusōdo-1851]

I believe sleep dart is saying but not 100% sure

[ChibiFox-11511]

My original suggestion was a whip, something used to displace other heroes, but not stun them.

(Not saying I’m entirely for this but I just remembered my old post)

It acted similarly to his flash, but would move the hero closer to him, and do a small bit a damage.

That kind of ability could go in so many different directions, it’s a super interesting discussion.