What if Sym’s gun held the ramp indefinitely

[Darrington-11693]

Sounds weird. I’m not sure how to feel about it. What if you die? What if you zap for half a second and then stop?

What if bad players get mad that Symmetra has become a juggernaut who insta kills everything and “can literally do everything by herself,” and then she gets sledgehammer nerfs until she’s not viable like every other hero who rubs the vocal minority the wrong way?

[Zephrin-11143]

@Ranulf-1999

Give her AND buff the survivability that she lost in the 3.0 nerfwork, by starters?

Not every hero is meant to pander to flanker players

well first off what gameplay are you going for? i.e. what position will sym be? what will she be using/doing?

2ndly, you can’t give her much sustain at all because if you give her a lot she’d be oppressive by making her w+m1 a lot easier.

3rdly, you can give her range on orbs, but not on primary, and even then, you can only make orbs midranged because primary is intended to be closer ranged (need somewhere where she’s not good). But simply making orbs midranged isn’t enough because she’d still be heavily outclassed and shields will counter her easily. hence the need to make tp more frequent (angles, utility, getting areas where most heroes can’t get to, getting in midrange more often etc. the thing that sets her apart).

4thly, I never said every hero should be flankers. but sym defs goes the flanker route:

@Zephrin-11143

she is definitely a flanker hero. she is a shorter ranged squishy hero that aims to control space whether that may be claimining enemy territory, reinforcing current areas or to go out and getting picks.

For a shorter ranged squishy hero to function, they will need to prescribe to a “get in get out” gameplay (i.e. a flanker). ESPECIALLY when it comes to claiming enemy space. Like she’s no rein or orisa who have high sustain to walk up and threaten space to grab it. nor is she a sniper to be able to threaten long sightlines with range. She has to go sneaking around with her lower range to claim it. If that doesn’t sound like a flanker, idk what does. Heck even her comic shows sym flanking to get what she wants.

5thly, you’re implying that 3.0 will never work, yet she’s never been balanced properly before. more frequent tp like old 3.0 finite tp + actual midranged orbs to play like a midranged zoning semi-flanker which is still unique due to how she needs to combine tp+orbs+turrets for various strats whether to kill, zone or provide utility.

[Xorkrath-1442]

@Zephrin-11143

turrets do not give sym the self agency to damage people in the same way most heroes’ weapon does nor are they significant enough to dictate sym gameplay in a way that lets her play in longer range

Can we just get this engraved on a little plaque and just post it in all future discussions about Sym? This snippet is just so on point and concise. I love it.

[InJecht-1328]

Star Ocean®: Till The End Of Time Fayt's Awakening

Sym’s weapon needs to shoot unlimited range lasers.

[Homosapein-1300]

An interesting idea I saw that rolls into her builder/architech concept was that she can use whatever ability to draw shapes that become solid. Such as a bridge across a gap that non-mobile heroes normally wouldn’t be able to cross without some work put in, a small low HP barrier in a rudimentary shape that could block damage or wall an enemy into a corner, etc.