you people here advocating reporting damage moirias exaggerate like crazy how ineffective she is or really have no idea how well she plays offensively with barriers everywhere.
honestly there is nothing wrong with 1 decent baptiste as your healer, 3 dps w/ damage moiria(ideally throw a heal ball occasionally), 2 tanks. hell, groups dont really need 2 tanks either, 1 was always fine.
a lot of you have become comp nasiz that have gone way overboard with this forced role que BS. prior to this 222, there were many group makeups that werent this generic 222 that worked fine, even better in situations than 222 comps. now you all pretend you cant function without 2 tanks and 2 healers. its always been the good players that won games most of the time, not comps.
In old system if we had a crap dps Moira someone else could pick up support to make up the slack. Now it’s expected that people do their jobs.
And it’s not as if the Moira in my game announced she’d do pathetic healing as she went dps.
When the other support was a Lucio her stupidity left us up crap creek healing wise.
At least in the game with Zen and Lucio as support, I knew right away that a swap to Hog was advised.
Just dropping in a gentle reminder that you do not need to convince these snowflakes of anything. If they’re actually playing this way, they’re accumulating these reports. Continue reporting, it’ll eventually solve itself.
All that matters is that you honestly believe the person is sabotaging the game and you’re reporting based on that. If it’s true, other people will report as well. If it was a bad game, then they aren’t going to be experiencing it every game and they’ll never be acted upon.
You are moving your goal post. You asked where Blizzard said actions must be intentional, so I showed you where Blizzard said things must be intentional. Now you are trying to argue that poor performance is the evidence for proving intent. Playing poorly is not reportable.
Blizzard has given clear examples of being intentionally disruptive. Actions like Mei walling off teammates or setting up teleporters off cliffs are purposeful actions taken, not the lack of action in a situation.
you have no idea or seem to give no credit as to how much those gold kills/damage made it easier for u to break their lines.
if a moiria ends up with gold damage and u win, shes doing a lot more than you saw, and probably was your mvp. you arent seeing their mercy busy being chased by the moiria and probably assumed u just killed their front lines because your teamwork was so good while the players u killed got no heals. or why the enemy jr, anna, etc all of a sudden disappeared from view.
players are often unaware of how much some players are doing when they dont see them until the highlights/medals.
It is semi subjective. If being crap was reportable I’d have been banned long ago.
If a player is clearly new, like level 25 squeaker just running in 1v6 over and over I’m pretty sure they’re just out if their depth, avoid and move on.
When I see a guy with 500+ levels clearly not do their job, I tend to forgive them this season as loads of one tricks trying off roles.
But when I’m getting murdered right in front of the Moira and she sends a damage orb out and doesn’t even spray me, I’m reporting her.
no. i dont report people even if theyre hacking or whatever. i’m just sort of used to seeing that crap occasionally in every online game i’ve played and it’s sort of par for the course on occasions to see that stuff, and is sort of normalized to me. i mean its rare enough where i dont even bother.
i might say something to them, or even not help them to pay them back later, but i wont report them. especially for playing a class within it’s capabilities, even if it’s not healing me. i just feel most classes can survive better than most players think with good movement, and the good players do not need the shields and heals as much as many others that make a huge deal about all of this support around them. I just really wish blizzard forced FFA deathmatch play on everyone so they could become better players all around, and need less hand holding.
i dont even play healer much so i’ve dealt with damage moiras and sure atm it may piss me off if i die but honestly nothing pisses me off more than the regularity of these awful DPS playing classes that shoot at a shield all game. good wall breaking dps are fine, but a mcree that stands behind a shield and shoots at the other shield all game is absolutely worthless. Soo many of these players. I feel they sabotage me FAR more than any damage moira.
It could not be more clear that you’re a garbage FPS player trying to make overwatch the same as every other game.
That mccree shooting the shield(his shield break is great if he uses FTH) is pressuring the other tank so they are more likely to pull back.
Heals enable you to do sustained damage. Shields open up new sightlines, which sustain damage or allow you to easily access superior cover. The fact you think these things are unneeded in a largely strategy game is ridiculous. Competitive mode could not be further from FFA when played properly, and that’s a good thing.
mcree shooting at a shild is absolutely is worthless, and you’re a noob to pretend otherwise. go with JR or Ashe even, but a mcree is like a widow shooting at shields.
i bet you’re THAT girl i’m talking about that just stands behind a shield all game needing your hand held standing stationary shooting at the other shield and hoping to mcree ult them from front view all the time lol.
dps on backlines causes chaos. you are doing nothing close to what the dps moira is playhing a mcree standing behind your shield all game shooting at their shield. funny u call me garbage because i can tell by what u just said you’re one of those awful low IQ dps i’m talking about.
My girlfriend works with special needs 7th graders that have better writing skills than you, so I’m not terribly concerned with being called low IQ.
That said, your inability to understand pressure and desire to play as free-for-all makes it more than clear what you want. Why not just play a game designed for that kind of gameplay instead of ruining your teammates’ games with your crappy DPS-tank?
i am obviously lazy in my typing punctuation which is clear but you’re probably too low IQ to recognize that. i also didnt know i was being graded on my grammar by some low IQ baddy who needs to be babied because you’re bad and won’t try to become better. easier to make other players your slaves focusing exclusively on you because you can’t play without your shields and heals. Its not ALL about you. get over yourself. you suck and players dont want to waste their time supporting bad mcree’s who shoot at a shield all game.
your gf should find another boy because it’s clear you’re one of those that blame others rather than yourself for all of your issues.
FTH takes .78 secs.
Reload takes 1.5 secs.
Combat roll takes .4 secs.
FTH + reload takes 2.28 sec.
FTH + combat roll takes 1.18 sec.
FTH is 6 shots at 50 damage against a shield up to 25 meters.
In a 6 second cycle, mccree does 934 damage to shields using FTH>roll>FTH>FTH and repeat. This is 155 dmg/sec. Without roll, it’s 131.
Junk M1 takes .65 secs. Junk reload takes 1.55 sec. Junk has a clip of 5 shots. Junk mines do 130 damage each. Thus, emptying your clip and reloading takes you 3.25 seconds for 650 damage. 200 damage/sec.
Is junk better than mccree at breaking shields? Sure. But, is 1/3 better always worth giving up the ability to actually kill people after shields are down and have a stun for potential opponents such as reaper? Not always.
Further, unless double shields are in play, mccree should not be the only person hitting the shield. Roadhog is another 136/sec. D.va is 140ish. Just mccree and an off tank will shred an Orisa shield in 3.5 sec, leaving her with 5.5 sec of no shield where the dps will all have full sight to destroy her. Sigma regens 175/sec, with a 2 second downtime, and at best case is equivalent to around 90/sec. He can’t keep it up fulltime.
Sometimes, flanking is better. But often, you should just be focusing down the shield with the mccree instead of complaining about them. It’s more than clear in every thread you post in that you’re completely unwilling to consider the effectiveness of teamwork, and I’m far from the first person to notice.
no, you are the most worthless dps u can play if you’re playing a mcree shooting at a shield all game. do your math again, coupling with other classes to make it sound better, but this time put a class in there like JR with the orisa. it’s so obvious in game how fast a shield goes down with a JR compared to a mcree. mcree to take down shields is laughable…
and to say a mcree is better after shield down than a JR is untrue as well. considering they’re all bunched up, a JR would be so much better in your shield down scenario. he can even throw his mines over their shields and your dps can get them when they pop up.
and it’s more the fact that many of you here pretend like ‘teamwork’ is the end all be all of playhing this game. I dont know what games you have played but Overwatch is more of a ‘hero’ game than ‘teamwork’ game to me, unless you are playing at the highest levels. I have more games where 1 or 2 really good players are destroying people leading us to win than this teamwork with baddys shooting at shields all game. its always been like that. forcing us all to shield and heal you worthless dps is such a waste of time and it’s so regular with you bad dps right now it’s not even funny.
keep exaggerating teamwork leads to wins. in my experience the good players lead to wins. not teamwork with bads….that only occasionally leads to wins against a bad team. but more often than not it leads to major frustration healing ranged dps who cant aim or shoot at shields all game.
I’m not the DPS you’re so mad at, I’m a tank main that can flex. Not everyone who disagrees with you or sees the fault in your logic is actively doing what you’re upset about.
If you’ll actually read my post, you can see that Junkrat does 200 damage/second to shield, if he does nothing besides spam M1(his best method of damaging it). If he’s throwing mines for chip damage in between, that goes down.
Mccree using FTH and roll at timer does 155. Roadhog does 136. Orisa does 109.
D.va does 140ish. These numbers are easily verified with some middle school math and any of the many wikis. If shields aren’t breaking, it’s because nobody is helping mccree break them.
If you have an orisa, roadhog, and mccree shooting at their shield, you’ll break an orisa shield in 2.25 seconds. If they also have a sigma shield and they wait until orisa shield is broken to deploy it like they should, you’ll break that in 3.75 more seconds. Orisa still has 3 seconds on her recast, sigma won’t be at full charge for 10.5 seconds. Use the opening to kill one of the tanks, the remaining tank’s shield amounts to nothing to you.
Shooting at shields solo is worthless. Shooting at them as a team invalidates them, even in double shield. It is easy to get a safe angle to shoot a shield. It requires no aim. But, you have to shelf your own ego and actually participate as part of a group.
u can do your math as much as u want, and skew it by adding other classes to the mix, which is really pointless since we’re assuming the orisa/roadhog are there for both JR and mcree. so comparing them directly without the added complexity of other classes would have been fine. but it helps your argument by making it sound better.
all i know is when i play JR i destroy shields fast. when i see mcree’s shooting at shields they’re completely worthless. i wont even get into their ults against the shields but damn so many of these low IQ dps players are so frustrating, and much more frustrating than any dps moira.
and yeah i’m going to say %$*& teamwork and healing these bads doing nothing but shooting at shields constantly. these guys never even medal in damage either. its so obvious they are bad and a waste of time healing them. sorry but teamwork goes out the window when they prove to me they’re awful.
Junk can destroy shields effectively if he’s the only person shooting them, but has less utility for most comps.
Mccree is not the character I would choose to break shields, but he’s still going to be much more effective if you actually support him and help break them. Whether you have a junk or a mccree shooting shields, the best way to work with that is to help them break the shield quickly instead of whining about it and trying to flank at the same time. They are still trying to contribute, and it really isn’t a waste if the team can work with it.
The takeaway is that you’re willing to help a junk break shields but not a mccree.
That’s only a 11% difference in shield break speed. But, if you leave the mccree by himself and he only has his own 155 DPS, he’s a wasted spot. That may be partly his fault, but it’s also partly yours for refusing to help break the shield.