âActively tryingâ is the keyword there. Trying not succeeding, not getting results, but trying.
Hero choice is not a reason to report someone, and reporting someone for it is harassment.
You guys are just trying to nitpick because you donât think it should be Blizzardâs policy that one-tricking is allowable. But that IS the policy and it IS allowed.
I used Pharah as an exemple dude.
A Free DPS, whoever he is, is a nightmare. Countering it is the key.
yup it comes down to people wanting to ban others for being bad at the game, which is, yaknow, incredibly toxic, golds want to ban silvers, plats want to ban golds, diamonds want to ban plats, because they are all âbad at the gameâ in the eyes of people better than them.
With no moderation this situation results in everyone being banned and the last person sitting in an empty lobby, alone, the victor, the true best overwatch player who is the best at the game and not a trash noob casual player who should uninstall.
You canât kill their Mercy first if yours got killed by their non-countered DPS.
Like if ignoring an ennemy Tracer/Pharah/Widow on fire etc was a good choice ? Are you really telling me that ?
It IS allowed, because you bought the game and thatâs your freedom to play any hero you want. But imo whether you should or should not in certain situations (e.g. when itâs not helping the team to win) thatâs a different thing.
Iâm not trying to nitpick, I donât even play Comp and I personally do not hate one tricks nor I report them. Iâm only joining the discussion here.
Honestly, toxicity is a hell of a lot easier to manage and deal with as opposed to one tricks. At least I can mute and block the toxic player as they just do their thing. What can I do about the one trick? Avoid as teammate two times until the next one pops up, then have to replace one for another?
Iâll tell you right now⌠Iâve been playing since 2016 and I have won a HELL of a lot more games with a toxic teammate than I have with a one trick, so playing with a toxic player instead of a one trick is no contest for me, easy. Also, why should I blame myself for their mistakes? I donât mind blaming myself when I screw up, but if Iâm sitting over here doing everything I possibly can, but weâre still not able to push because of the one trick, Iâm sure as hell not going to take responsibility for THEM not doing THEIR job. Why should I?
Thereâs a difference in âhaving a bad gameâ and feeding/throwing. Iâve had bad games before. We all have. However, when the one trick is âhaving a bad gameâ every other game they get put in, that can no longer be used as an excuse. Itâs their poor decision which is being masked by the veil of âbad gameplayâ. Theyâre trying to force Sym into a situation where she simply does not work.
You can argue it until the end of time, but it will never change the facts in front of us. There will always be a certain threshold you canât pass with your hero. For Ana, itâs trying to play against a dive meta. It doesnât matter how good you are or how much youâre âtrying to winâ. Itâs a terrible idea because:
A. D.Va is going to constantly be eating your sleep darts, grenades, and shots
B. Winston is going to constantly be jumping you to harass you and dropping a bubble so youâre unable to heal teammates
It doesnât matter how you slice it, as I said before. If it looks like throwing, itâs a reportable offense. If your Ana could have swapped to a Mercy, Zen, Moira, anything but Ana⌠Maybe you guys could have stood a chance. You canât blame that loss on a âbad gameâ. That was just you trying to will a win and force your pick into the comp and you just cannot do that in this game.
If youâre trying to win, you wouldnât be playing the same hero over and over again under the worst conditions. That is throwing when you do that.
Youâre right. I said I wonât report for hero choice (which basically means Iâm not going to report them in spawn, even if I see a Sym or Torb on attack at Hanamura since I give everyone the benefit of the doubt until it doesnât work any more). The reason why I said you could one trick Mercy is because sheâs actually viable on every single map in the game. However, you canât one trick a hero like Torb or Sym and expect them to work on every map.
This is why we have meta picks and non-meta picks. Donât misunderstand though. Iâm still not reporting them for their hero choice. It just so happens that their choice happens to be the most popular when it comes to gameplay sabotage reports because itâs easy to throw or feed with Sym or Torb, due to them not being viable under most circumstances.
The main takeaway here is that, as I said before⌠I report any player, regardless of hero choice, if I suspect they are throwing or feeding. It just so happens that a majority of those reports are towards Sym and Torb.
Yes, I do feel like they should swap, as would anybody. If I see the enemy McCree has a good feel for our Genji or Tracer, Iâll ask them to swap too if theyâre losing that matchup. If youâre not adapting to your ever-changing circumstances in Overwatch, youâre probably not going to win games. Going under the assumption that both teams are of equal skill, if you donât swap, you will lose, plain and simple.
This game is built around counters and when one team decides to make that swap to counter you and you keep running the same comp, without adapting, youâre going to be digging your grave. The only time stubbornness like that pays off is that if the enemy team is so horrendously bad, you could play pretty much any comp (even 5 DPS) and still beat them, so you didnât have to swap anyway.
Please do not confuse the exception for the rule though.
The only thing thatâs obvious here is that one tricking is considered harassment against your fellow players since it forces everyone to play around you and you demand people to be flexible while not providing any flexibility yourself. Itâs an incredibly self-centered mindset and I will never support it since not only are you hurting your team, but youâre hurting yourself as well by doing this.
Anyway, itâs obvious that much like one tricks, youâre going to continuously pound your head against the wall here, hoping that your strategy will work, even though youâre losing this argument and youâve been losing since you took that first step. So, Iâll just do what I do in-game and move on. Good luck out there and I wish you the best.
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I donât think you should one-trick. I donât like one tricking either. But this topic is about them getting banned for one tricking. And Blizzard has said on multiple occasions that you should not be reporting them and that itâs not a bannable offense. They even said they consider those false reports to be griefing and harassment.
Given that, people really need to get over themselves and stop reporting one-tricks and stop trying to twist the definition of throwing to justify their harassment.
Not everything that is irritating, selfish, etc is against the rules.
I wonder how long this oneâll go. My guess is a few months
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Where did you see insults ? Iâm starting to believe youâre really drunk because what youâre saying doesnât make any sense RN.
you try to work with them, if it doesnât work you move onto the next game and stop focusing on your teammates choices, because makes you a worse player.
I do this all the time, i think, well, if the dps could just get more kills, we coulda won! if they coulda contested the point, we coulda won! but they didnât or couldnât and i accept that then i move the heck on to the next game and work on having enough of an impact to climb
it would help if people were able to consistently climb with a 51% winrate or higher below diamond but thats a different issue.
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Donât play torb, sym, hanzo, widow, doomfist, and you wonât get auto banned.
Basically just donât play blizzards failed attempts at making decent heroes.
i donât actually think? its ad hom because they are not using it to specifically try and invalidate you they are just using it to say âthats ridiculous you would have to be drunk to think thatâ
ad hom would be like âyou are gay so you are wrongâ or âyou went to jail so you are wrongâ
i say âi thinkâ because i donât actually understand what they are sayingâŚ
I donât agree with them I just wana make sure we arenât throwing around logical fallacies incorrectly.
Boy, Bye. 
but they did attack your argument didnât they? I donât think it counts if they actually attack your argument in addition to insulting your character?
I canât exactly tell because I legit have no idea what they are talking about lol but if thats what they are doing i donât think? its ad hom, im sure there is somewhere this can be looked up
again im on your side and i may be wrong.
I see your point. So would we agree on:
A) We should not be reporting one tricks no matter what the result is by the end of the game, and one tricking is not bannable;
At the same time,
B) One tricks should take their time and pick up other heroes as well, so when their main is not useful in certain situations they are able to switch and thus, helping their team to win
hmm yea i think in this case it was used as emphasis and not actually trying to attack your argument?
ok i looked it up
"Ad hominem attacks are strictly fallacious when the attack has little or no bearing on the argument at hand. For example, dismissing a female scientistâs opinion on a subject because she is a woman would be a fallacious ad hominem argument. Dismissing it for being incorrect with relevant evidence or reasoning, but making a sexist comment at the same time, would not employ formally fallacious reasoning. On the flip-side, dismissing that evidence or reasoning because it came packaged with a sexist comment wouldnât follow.
Though the fact that something is not a logical fallacy does not automatically make it a desirable debating tactic. Even if the underlying argument is sound, snide remarks and obnoxious insults can form an effective part of the rhetoric and cause people to dismiss an argument as the incidental attack triggers their own prior biases"
from ârational wikiâ
i really wish i could just link stuff
so simply insulting someone while you attack thier argument isnât ad hom, its rude and unnecessary but its not actually ad hom
if they said âyou are legit drunk and therefor you are wrongâ that would be adhom but if they then go and say something that isnât ad hom the ad hom doesnât invalidate the actual attack they made against your argument.
I donât understand how Blizz could be so clueless about this.
Yup. I can agree with that. Now that Blizzard has stated multiple times itâs against the rules, I see no reason anyone should report about it ever.
I can understand wanting the rule changed because of reason B, because I totally get why itâs annoying. I get annoyed by it too.
I just cannot and will never support getting people banned for something that is not against the rules. I think that type of malicious enforcement of your opinion over policy should never be encouraged or rewarded, and in fact should cause you to be the one to get banned.
I have very little tolerance for that type of behavior.