The difference is, I can back up my claim with evidence from web sites that track the balance patches from the beginning of the game until now.
I can use these pieces of information to graph out each balance shift per hero or per role. I have the information available to me to make the claim I made.
DPS1Trick has no such evidence.
Sure generalizing is bad, but also denying reality is worse mate. You should agree with that and recognize the facts:
Pointing at a flaw very common in a certain crowd doesnt imply that ALL individuals of that crowd are part of the problem.
While you are at it (and pretty much anyone else in this forum), you should read about “DPS blaming”, its SO PREVALENT that even a Developer had to address it on their official posts:
Another fact for you and everyone here:
The lack of Scoreboards, while not affecting “Blaming games” that much, it helps specially Tanks and Supports “hiding” their performance/mistakes since we cant see stats like “healing received” but we can see how “nothing is dying” and blame DPS right away.
Again, bringing the heat -
It is what it is 
Your assessment is incorrect.
I go back to the fact that this web site
has all of the pertinent information to clarify why support and tank players tend to group together on the forums. Blizzard has been far more unforgiving to those roles. The second Blizzard makes the same sweeping changes to the DPS roster you would see the same thing happen. This leads to the question of why DPS players are on the forums at all. If their role is altered the least, then what do they have to complain about? Yet they are still here.
You have no way of knowing this, and you are not the subject matter expert in what heroes take skill or not.
I wasn’t specifically finger pointing. It is the fault of all roles, but mostly the fault of Blizzard.
What a load of ____.
I remember when I enjoyed Overwatch
Then they gutted Sombra with that rework
You’re completely missing the point.
It’s not about whether or not you can prove your argument with ‘facts’ or ‘statistics’.
It’s about dismissing them and their arguments because they play ‘x hero’ or come from ‘x category’, while simultaneously generalizing them and consistently viewing them in the negative.
Note: This thread didn’t devolve into arguing up until you three came on here and started bashing the other side, unprompted.
All that orange text exist to give Overwatch players a nice warm hug so they can forget about the evil man that got mad at them.
This is what I meant by;
Blizzard so often now wants to coddle people no matter what role they play. In that blurb Blizzard wanted the DPS to “feel better” about themselves instead of challenging them with being better.
My original post was about how Blizzard is the main culprit, and there are a multitude of players who play the blame game. The basis of what I said was, how do you expect players to stop doing it, when Blizzard does this very thing?
I know what camp I am in. i want all roles to change a bit for the betterment of the game. However, I will not let other people argue that their role is somehow “the chosen role” and its everyone else who is wrong.
Note: Facts do matter by the way.
I disagree. It does. Words matter. You can laugh it off and say it’s silly to use a qualifier like “some” every time, but the fact this is so rarely done helps create the environment we are talking about.
You missed the mark and the meaning of that text by around 3 footbal stadiums mate. No offense but … W O O S H
If you actually think Game Balancing has absolutely anything to do with Tribalism and the blaming game, you are way way way way further away than I thought.
But ok 
It doesnt. Just like you pointed out, words matter.
Making up context and implying things that are not explicit in a statement for the sake of “being offended” does not help anyone.
But of course some people are going to do their own reading on things and misquote or misinterpret things on purpose for other goals.
And guess what mate, no matter what you say, or how specific you are, that is not changing. Again, it is what it is 
The fact that I thought this said tr1bbing i-
I disagree.
If damage creep is an actual problem then we’d see the same thing.
If dps has defined literally every meta since day 1, then dps would get unforgiving nerfs.
Regardless, calling out specific heroes is not being “tribal”.
Scapegoating Tracer/Genji for Brigitte nerf is fine. It’s not tribal.
Scapegoating the entire dps for tank or support nerf. That’s tribalism.
By that I mean they don’t define the meta like tanks and supports.
Although some really are hot garbage.
No, but you need a prerequisite understanding before starting any debates. Talking without experiencing it first hand is just useless talk, even a non OW player can copy and paste whatever topic online without understanding a thing about OW balance.
Newsflash, we don’t exist anymore
If I Q for all 3 roles I always tank
If I Q for just support and dps I always support.
If I Q for dps I go do my laundry.
Have the dps stopped using “Mercy main” as an insult yet or is it still going?
Apologies, I forgot how attempting to discuss anything with you is pointless. There is no discussion to be had, much like when I have to explain something to my youngest daughter. Just remember, chew before you swallow.
every moira topic is made “she is ez mode, git gud” to begin with.
No. I started in season 3 or so and it was already tribalized them.
Not all major balance updates are targeted at supports and tanks. For example, the Hanzo rework was heavy balancing.
The reason people notice tank and support balancing more is because more people complain about it when it happens (especially here) and Tanks and Supports dictate what happens the most in the game and thus are victim to more balance.
I’ve seen plenty of particularly idiotic people from all roles on the Forums.
What role someone plays does not affect their intelligence.
That mostly everyone. DPS aren’t alone in wanting their favorite hero to be good.
Though that is not to say that people wanting certain heroes to b fixed are only players that play that hero.
The role a person plays does not affect how they play the game. It’s the individual player that does. A Rein that plays with their team and shields for them isn’t going to go to DPS and suddenly give that all up.
Everyone wants to be a superstar. I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Plus, I think a lot of people don’t realize that when say Baptiste was nerfed, it wasn’t only DPS that wanted that nerf.
You can play multiple roles, that sounds like flexing to me.
I do not condone any use of calling someone “X main” as means to insult or nullify someone’s position on a subject.