Torb is an oddly over nerfed hero

No? Sombra has been able to for as long as I can remember.

Because Sombra isn’t even really a flanker when you really get into it? Or because Torb’s counter to flankers is something that Sombra herself counters? Or do you think Dive comps should have no realistic answer to Torb?

Look it up, Sombra could not hack while invisible for the vast majority of the game. Trust me, she’s only recently been able to hack from stealth and it’s a very significant change if you play Torb

Also saying Sombra isn’t a flanker is insane to me

Dive comps have plenty of counterplay to turret. It’s called shooting the turret like every character in the game besides Sombra does

In OW2 she definitely has.

Probably because you don’t play her. Sombra can’t be a flanker right now because she has zero sustain. The key part of being a flanker is being able to go in, waste time OR get kills, and get out.

Yeah, just checked it. That was changed BEFORE OW2. April 2022.

So is Genji not a flanker then? He doesn’t have any sustain

Are you really playing Sombra as a front-line damage dealer? Why would she even have invisibility in the first place if she’s not supposed to be a flanker?

Are you dumb? Does Deflect just not exist to you?

Flanker and Frontline aren’t the only roles.

I’m done. You don’t know enough to have this discussion.

TF2 players know that if you keep running into a Sentry Gun over and over, you are the low-skill player, not the Engineer.

Overwatch players just get mad and babyrage about the Sentry Gun.

Since when do flankers need sustain to be consider flankers? That’s 100% made up by you just now lol

Is teleport not sustain? Are you dumb?

Hey that’s the #1 Overbuff Tracer in masters. Better show him some respect. :grin:

In fairness, Torb turret has a MASSIVE range compared to engi sentry and instantly snaps to targets which makes it a lot harder to just peak down without taking chip damage by the characters most affected by it.

Torb’s turret also does way less damage than even a Mini-Sentry.

It’s meant to considering how few actual weaknesses it has compared to engi turret. Back when it was actually buildable and had decent damage it was complained about constantly because it had all the strengths of engi’s turret without the weaknesses.

Literally forever? Their job is primarily to waste time.

…no. It’s an escape tool.

Are you dumb?

Flankers have NEVER been required to have sustain - that’s ridiculous. Plus, sustain is typically spoken about as a way for a character to regain health, which deflect does not do. By that standard, Rein has excellent sustain because of his shield. In reality, Rein has no self-sustain and falls over if there’s no one healing him. Deflecting bullets is not “sustain” its defense

Flanker means their playstyle revolves around getting behind the enemy and assassinating the backline. Their “sustain” comes from grabbing health packs or having harmony orb applied, for example

Anybody that argues projectile spam is effective outside of the area denial or ult generation side of the game, are low rank, low rank and bad.

For actual team fights, consistency is what matters. Hitscans, if on equal power as projectile heroes, are going to have a massive advantage when it actually matters. There are exceptions, usually tank busting, where just raw DPS overwrites when it comes to massive hitboxes. Hitscan heroes still have the advantage, overwhelmingly so, in general.

M8 we already know your kind of bad at the game now. You don’t have to continue dumping on your self.

GM is bad btw. Only the top 1% of the playerbase lmao

Torb isnt played in GM, outside of very dedicated players.

M8 what you described are not issues normal tracer players have.

Spam isn’t a threat to even mid tear players.

As a tracer you shouldn’t have issues closing the gap on any hero with the use of flanks and your teams push.

And you shouldn’t have any issue killing that turret.

Like not being rude, but everything you have mentioned is bottom tier complaints. Like bronze and silver stuff man.

Your showing a considerable lack of well… any form of confident play in what you are describing.

He does this a lot. He was a gm player on console. He’s a masters tracer one trick on pc.

He is not a fan of torb, clearly.

Torb is a skillful hero. For example…when was the last time you tried giving your turret some natural cover?

Ever tried putting it right behind a pole or a tree? It can do wonders.

If you just toss turret out with no thoughts as to how it’ll get value and survive long enough to do so, you’re playing Torb wrong.

I also hate how mindless his alt fire can be. Just because he has a shotgun doesn’t mean you should play him as such.