THIS is why they wont respond.....a forum snapshot

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Wait what’s this about DJ Khaled?

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Dj Khaled performed at the OWL finals.
And people call it clowning.

The entitlement these people have.

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Huh he’s not my favorite artist but I don’t see a major issue. (unless he was terrible).

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Man Idk.
I don’t like his music as well, but that doesn’t give me a reason to call it clowning.

The guy you are asking is pretty much hating on everything Blizzard has done in the past. And I really wish he applied for any position in Blizzard since he clearly knows everything about running a company.

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I recall the Ana nerfs from over a year ago. I remember everyone hating on Ana and the Ana players didn’t actually say that much but predicted how useless Ana will be.

If I had a Dollar for every Ana player that behaves like Mercy mains on this forum, I had 1 Dollar at max…perhaps.

So this:

is not true.

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That’s just SO accurate :smiley:

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This comic literally says “The first amendment doesn’t shield you from criticism or consequences.” By not making a statement, by not talking with us, the devs are making a completely different statement, that we aren’t worth their time. So we criticize them for it. These forums are literally to give feedback on the game. In some cases, like reporting bugs, these forums are the only place to give feedback. So if the feedback is negative, it has every right to be said as the positive. And if Blizzard chooses to ignore the negative anyway, we are allowed to criticise them by that statement.
For reference:

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What they need to do is to re-sort this forum. “General Discussion” is waaaay too broad a category.

As for balance stuff, they just need to have 28 separate megathreads in their own dedicated Hero Balance forums.

Cause, you know, there actually is good stuff to talk about with this game. :slight_smile: And some stuff that needs some fixing-up.

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Just make sure you realise that this mentality works both ways. They may not want to respond to the same people that call them and their decisions terrible all the time. It’s an endless cycle, really.

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I don’t want to be one of those guys but busy doing what? Sure the Torb rework is going on but they were free enough to also make Hammond at the same time so realistically what are they doing with their time that will actually benefit us? I don’t want any new heroes until the current ones are fixed.

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I’m definitely biased but I see no good. They made my main trash without listening to our feedback (Bastion) and have been ignoring us for 1.5 years.

There’s no good in any of that.

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They could prevent all of this by actually communicating and listening to the community.

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Yeah the thing is, you cant proof that. Period.
Not responding is not the same as not reading/listening and if you take that into account, you got your answer.

Also since you like statements, remember that classic “if you have nothing to say thats better than the silence, dont say anything” (or something like that).

The fact remains that we are not entitled to responses in forums so yeah, instead of throwing BS and complains, we all should focus more in constructive feedback and reports. Dont forget that respect and courtesy applies both ways : You are not entitled to it, you earn it.

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Bastion has 2 megathreads and his changes have lasted for a year and a half. I believe he got his rework before Mercy. Way before Mercy.

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Bastion has been nothing but a rework since even before the beta. He was almost perfect with the old version but noo we had to get another rework nobody wanted.

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Except 99% of the time it causes the issue of them being worse than before. IMO that’s worse than the hero being OP because that means they’ll be ignored forever.

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The issue with Bastion as I have pointed out in both of his megathreads at some point before (not that you’d know that though) is that everything we could talk about has been talked about. It is entirely on them to do something now. All the ideas have been discussed numerous times. All that’s left is a response from them, and we haven’t had it for a year and a half. We can’t make anything constructive if nobody’s listening to the point that we would just be repeating ourselves for the 3rd time…

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How long do we wait without meaningful answers before we can assume they don’t care? When does a pile of sand become a mound of sand?

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Sombra
Doomfist
Sym
Mercy
Bastion
Reinhardt
Every case of silence or Soon™ is proof of it. Sombra’s bugs? Nothing
Doomfist’s bugs and problems? Overwatch Forums Ignored with 3 megathreads for months describing his problems
Sym: 2 reworks and still kind of bad; she’s basically a brand new hero
Mercy: OP as hell as a result of rez on a cooldown which is something EVERYONE agrees on, and she’s getting more boring each patch but she’s still too strong to not use
Bastion: I refer you to the multliple threads on Bastions issues and his lack of pickrate
Reinhardt: All of his bugs, which have been in the game since launch and have been getting band-aid fixes which tear off the patch afterwards. Right now he’s clunky because all the animation cancels that worked for him have been removed.
And these are the heroes that just come to mind. Ana, Torb, Roadhog, any hero that’s been ignored for months or years; the players don’t forget the silence just because it ended. Just because you get a prothestetic doesn’t mean you forget you lost a leg and stood on one foot for months.

Bugs and problems that have been in the game since launch and still haven’t been adressed. For christ sake, it’s taken over 2 years just to implement a looking for group. Lore has ground to a halt. Paywalls are rising. Exactly what am I supposed to think, with all of these things happening to a game that I love playing? The devs clearly aren’t reading all of our feedback, and I have proof that they aren’t. While we as a community are not entitled to a response to every little gripe, I would hardly call many of the issues of the game “little gripes.” An acknowledgement of the problem isn’t going to be enough anymore, because of the overuse of “Soon™” in the few moderator comments we’ve recieved.

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
----Martin Niemöller
Silence is not the answer. “If you have nothing nice to say don’t say anything at all” is to stop two children from fighting, and it never works, because eventually someone says something that can’t be ignored. In this case, the silence in the face of all the problems the game has and has had for years is more deafenning than anything I could hope to say back.

You’re the one who seems to have forgotten. The forum has given courtesy and respect, and haven’t recieved it in a while. The devs outright laughed at the issues of Genji’s deflect, and were surprised at the negative feedback when they nerfed objectively the worst hero in Sombra.

Would you rather proof that the devs aren’t reading/listening instead?

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Can I add another point,

If you say ‘the game is ruined’ every time your unhappy with anything it becomes really hard to figure out or fix the actual biggest problems.

There are potentially game ruining issues to talk about, but we also need to admit to ourselves when something only affects a few players or is just annoying or minor thing we want fixed but is not a priority, a failure of the dev team or a reason to uninstall. Not every problem is the apocalypse.

I’m trying not to call anyone out specifically but when I posted this there was a post where people said when they lost faith in the game, the highlights are:

An mistaken comment from a dev that I’d never heard before (the OP)
OWL getting attention
Adding Pink Mercy
At least 20 comments about 1 bad hero patch (mostly but not all Mercy)
Not adding new tanks sooner
Jokes by OWL casters
Making the Mercy megathread
And my personal favourite, when the dev’s started to listen to peoples complaints as people are all wrong crybabies (not as a joke, it was a salty hog main).

At the same time there were other threads saying the game was failing because it was too anime, calling out the practice range, leavers and Bastion not getting buffed or nerfed in a while (OP stated no preference as to which was needed) making them forget about him, and they called this as bad as the lack of summer games content with a straight face.

Not one of these is a game killing issue right now and some aren’t even issues. Treat them accordingly rather than inflate every concern you have to monstrous proportions.

Our outrage should be reserved for massive failures of the game like Lucioball 3, this time it’s copy pasted in. Or smaller (but still big) issues that nothing is being done about like the state of the lore. We should not call the way 1 hero (any hero) is treated game ending, one faulty mechanic a disaster or one weird decision proof the dev’s don’t care. Let’s not cry wolf here people

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