Ok forget 2-2-2.
How about, 1-1-1 and 3 flex?
How about only limiting supports and tanks to a maximum of two per team?
I like these ideas better been tweaking the game and heroes in a million ways to see what works. And in the end it may not work and goats could still be run. Like the changes that have gone through already and have not killed goats.
Also destroying Heroes just because of a composition is not the right way to go.
You certainly did: since tanking and healing efforts mitigate killing, you cannot simply expect that âmore experience means more killsâ when your opponents and counters are gaining the same experience. What experience means is getting better at the game, but since it is competitive that does not naturally translate into more wins or more kills.
Because sometimes a win doesnât require a tank or a support at all. It DEFINITELY helps, but forcing people to play a role theyâre not comfortable with basically means theyâre soft throwing without even trying to. Itâs a bad idea that will cause a lot of stress and turmoil for players who donât flex well. You donât want to further alienate players from a game that is already bleeding some of its player base.
Youâre joking right, I canât get more than 1 tank and 1 support in most of my games (me being the support) and you want to limit supports and tanks because the Proâs are playing GOATS.
The solution is 2-2-2, it just is.
edit: Goats works because when you stack these heroes their weaknesses are masked by the strengths of the other 3. They killed hero stacking when that could not be balanced itâs time for them to kill the stacking of dps/tank/support classes as well in the name of balance.
There is way less healing going on in Goats than there is in 222. The lack of a main healer really reduces heals.
The reason DPS canât do damage to Goats is because they die too easily to it. Dva and Lucio keep you from doing damage at range and close up, Reinhardt, Zarya, and Dva are more damaging than most DPS are.
âThis will get rid of GOATsâ
âThis will get rid of Diveâ
âThis will get rid of Pirate Shipâ
âThis will get rid of Deathballâ
âThis will get rid of Anti-Diveâ
âThis will get rid of Pick compâ
âThis will get rid of Beybladeâ
âThis will get rid of Nanobladeâ
âThis will get rid of Orisa-Hogâ
âŚugh. Why do some hate a specific comp so much that they want to see it deleted entirely from the game? It needs counters. People are angry because they feel like they have no viable counters to it. Letâs not mix up our emotions and chant for the removal of GOATs when buffing/creating counters to it would be far better for the game.
Most people that say Brig needs to be âbalanced properlyâ just means they want her reworked because they hate her playstyle. DVA is weak to beam heroes. Brigitte would be weak to a future hero that may counter armor and (alongside Reinhardt) would be weak to a hero that penetrates barriers.
That would be a messy system. Your ally would be a detriment to you and youâd get no value out of your hero as long as you are near each other. It would be like running two Lucios in Mystery Heroes. If both of you are healing then one of you is doing nothing.
I know it is hard for players to see and maybe that is why there is silence but reallyâŚ
Introduce a hero that can create a field that denies healing or even slows enemies = detriment to GOATs.
Introduce a support that can buff allies with Armor negating/molten bullets for a temporary amount of time = detriment to GOATs
Torbjornâs main gun having molten characteristic like his ult to do extra damage to armored targets = detriment to GOATs
Introduce a hero with barrier penetrating primary fire = detriment to GOATs/Barrier comps
Buff Orisa, Symmetra and Bastion = detriment to GOATs
Drastic bandaid fixes/nerfs seems like as bad of an option as ârevert overwatch to 2016â âdelete all post heroesâ threads.
Okay read what you just typed carefully.
âForcing a person to play a role they are not comfortable with a soft throwingâ I agree 1000% with this.
I mainly play DPS. I am not comfortable flexing to support or tanks because Iâm not good at them so Iâm basically soft throwing whenever I flex to these Heroes.
Guess what Iâve been doing the last few months in competitive play?
Iâve been soft throwing on Heroes I do not play my best at. Because people want to run goats 24/7 and if I donât agree with it then I get reported or flamed.
That is why a role q is needed at least a soft role Q.
If a role queue is implemented and we have a 2-2-2 or whatever else, then you wouldnât have to flex and soft throw on Heroes you are bad at.
You could play the heroes you are comfortable with and play at your highest level all the time.
Right now a whole class of Heroes (dps) isnât even played or viable.
This shouldnât be the case and thatâs why there needs to be changes to the hero stacking of supports and tanks.
Reading this nonsense constantly is why so many people are just jumping on Apex Legends.
You all want this to be a generic fps so bad because you canât handle all the different aspects of the game. Not even pro players can as visible by no one ever swapping characters which was supposed to be a big part of the game.
Like literally reading 1 ability not even a character an ability is breaking a format that sucks.
Look, nobody is arguing that tanks or healers shouldnât be in the game.
But right now, one role is so bad and useless it isnât played at the top level. Youâd be livid if it was tanks or supports. Why is it ok because itâs DPS?
Firstly, deleting Brig is not going to happen, please get over it. Secondly, even if the devs were crazy enough to do that, once we get another AOE off-support, the problem is just going to come back.
The majority of the people do not play at top level.
Whenever Lucio was a glorified taxi in GM/Top 500/pro, I went âawwâ for a second and went on about my day. So if GM/Top 500/pro play didnât have supports in its comp, I probably wouldnât give a damn. Because I range from gold to plat. Itâs a free-for-all mess down here. Why am I obligated to care for a meta I will literally never be in nor be affected by?
Honestly, youâre deluding yourself if you seriously think that Goats is being cause solely because of healing. Zarya and Dva are both known for doing about as much damage as dps do, and their huge health pools make them more sustainable, thus favorable to have in this particular lineup over dps. So while aoe heal-stacking may be part of the problem, pretending that tanks / tank damage isnât as well is just foolish.
There is no other must pick like him. Dps tank or support. His discord is op when the team behave as a unit. A team wide mercy boost at zero cost to zen is op