So, you are right about the definition. I’ve noticed too that people use the term pretty loosely. If I pick a sub optimal hero then it isn’t necessarily throwing. Maybe I’m not good with the meta hero.
But, with that said, it is impossible to know someone’s intent. If they are doing something incredibly dumb, repeatedly, even after the team protests, then I think that you can decide they are throwing.
Like if Mercy is only using her pistol and hasn’t pulled out her staff the whole game, that is so incredibly bad that I assume intent to throw. So, I would say that is throwing. Just like if you keep running in by yourself and dying while the team begs you to group up is going to have me say you are feeding.
But if you pick up D.Va instead of Sigma, currently you are reducing the likelihood of success if you are equally good at both heroes, but I don’t don’t know that you are equally good at both. You could be a D.Va god and horrible at Sigma. But even if you are equally good, that isn’t throwing.
It could have the same effect though which is costing you the game.
If they can get a high win rate doing that, then the answer is obviously no.
I think win rates should be looked at if people are going to get “game play sabotage” thrown at them.
God damn, I could not put it better myself.
I have a 70% win rate playing super aggressive Moira.
I’d be on the receiving end of your report, for sure. But, I am far from throwing.
I get it, I REALLY do, playing tank and not getting healed and seeing your Moira only on the kill feed HAS to be the most annoying thing in the world.
I get it. But, at some point, maybe effectiveness of tactics needs to be taken into account here.
For me It’s easy to notice. A player could be walking around like they don’t know the map. They can obliviously walk past teammates/enemies and some other minor factors that indicates they could be new. Depends from rank bronze to gold this kind of behavior isn’t to weird.
I wouldn’t expect this from diamond+/700-1000hours etc.
I think that’s an excellent idea. It wouldn’t be perfect, but if someone was playing with the intention to lose it would likely show in their winrates. It’s not exactly a solution to the problem of determining if someone should be reported because of private profiles and because of what statistics Blizz chooses to show you, but it’s a step in the right direction I think.
I’ve seen people with 90% win rates on tracer, and 5% win rates on torb, and I always ask myself, what IS the data team at blizzard doing if these accounts are not autobanned?
Some cases are really obvious what is going on here.
the deeper issue and the root cause of the thrower problem is that a computer is making my team. no no no no no no no QoL for the LFG
give us this QoL for the LFG so we can make our own teams, it’s the only answer. They got a new sandbagger detecting program, but until quantum computers come along, I’m a bit skeptical at how well an AI can judge “human intention”
I’m REAL skeptical about how well a simple formula can determine how good well you played, but SR still is calculated that way in the lower ranks.
I mean, you are of course right in general, but some cases are pretty obvious.
I didn’t even think you COULD get a win rate of 5% with torb, I thought that someone literally doing nothing couldn’t drop the team win rate below 10%.
I think you should be able to shed SR with the click of a button. The better you are, the more integrity your games have…this should be Blizzard’s stance How matchmaker should work (imho)
so I don’t care to discuss smurfing in this manner because it is trivial to me
Using a hero in a way that is the polar opposite of the heroes design and not fulfilling the core mission of your role is also self evident. In my rather extreme example, it really wouldn’t matter if they disabled chat and voice chat.
I’d also like to say that I think the term battle Mercy is misused. Mercy pulling out her pistol for a quick kill then returning to healing is fine. A mercy who does not heal, at all, is not.
i don’t because I think the new player experience is an important one. How are we to keep new players if their “welcome to the game” is people sandbagging them?
How does 1 determine if the win rate was achieved by playing dps only healer or if they just decided to do it in 1 particular game and usually play healer as intended ?
if you don’t want to play overwatch, then don’t play overwatch. I understand Blizzard needs to make money though, as for me, I don’t have a decision in thier business, so I can’t spend my time thinking about how they’re going to make money.
This hurts because it is both true, and really not true.
Take DPS Moira. She is stupidly effective, and a really good way to Plat. Are you playing her as intended? hell no! are you playing her as effectively as possible, well, yeah.
It is a game fault that doing the right thing is punished, and doing the effective thing isn’t.
If you gotta make a choice between gaining SR and playing the hero “the right way” people are going to take the SR.
I don’t blame them for it (because it would be SUPER hypocritical for me of all people to do so) - but, like, can’t we have the supports rebuilt so they CAN carry the game as effectively as DPS dpsing?
The problem isn’t that people are playing them wrong, it is that playing them wrong is better than playing them right.
I care, because I have a game designer / developer background, so it was my job to care for a long time, and old habits die hard 