The fact remains that Resurrect is broken/OP and doesn’t belong in Overwatch it cannot be balanced without making the rest of the support cast a throw pick.
The main reason why Mercy got reworked is because Mass resurrect, then Blizzard made the stupid mistake of placing it as a normal skill believing “Well 1 resurrect is less OP than pulling 2-3 or even 5 at the same time”
From point A we moved to Point B.A and now you want to revert back to point A removing Valkyrie, not even your own devoted one trick player base makes sense.
When mass resurrect was a thing, your people complained about ;
Mercy is helpless
Mercy is a rez bot
Mercy cannot do anything by herself and gets focused all the game
My teammates are stupid, everyone is stupid they never protect us
Then Blizzard gave you Valk to kinda solve all those problems and gave you fully independence with your new ult and also still having resurrect tied to 30 seconds no matter what but now ;
Mercy is unfun
I don’t feel powerful
Bring back mass ress
Opinions aren’t wrong until people assume them as fact. If an opinion is given without data or proof, they shouldn’t be surprised when someone asks for the facts. The whole “This is my opinion, therefore I’m right.” Mentality often crumbles pretty quickly when you start asking them “how did you come to that conclusion, got any proof?”
Here’s an additional fact. We’ll be right back at square one with Mercy being a must pick, despite her 10 point decrease in her healing. A lot of people don’t pick Mercy primarily for “her healing”. But I suppose we’ll have to see in a few weeks how her ratings end up. I’m betting in the “Nothing changed” camp this time.
10 nerfs with no real results kind of makes for a good basis to go by.
Is a win rate below 50% something that they’re aiming for? Just asking, I honestly have no idea how people factor in a heroes win rate. I would imagine 50% would be ideal though?
unfortunately not many people see why Mercy is special. Sure she is strong, but other then that,she is the only pure support hero, she is actually the only pure team-player in a game that want to be a team game. Even Reinhardt who suppose to protect his team is only valid if he swings his hammer, charges in and cause enough trouble in the enemy team. Mercy is the only hero who is not concerned with the enemy team and only focus on her own team. This is for some people the reason why they play her. For some others the reason is she has res and the team want res. With this you always get a higher pick rate then usual, until she becomes a troll pick.
Actually the January nerf that added cast time to Rez looked to have made her balanced for months. Her winrate was around 50%, her pick rate was about even with Moira’s and far from 100%. Then the meta changed and she became dominant again, but nowhere near as much as during last year after the rework when she was literally a must pick at every level.
Now she got another significant nerf while Ana got a decent buff so I expect her to remain non-dominant.
I feel like considering how reliable her kit is, it makes sense that her win rate would be higher than other heroes like, say, Widowmaker who require a ton of skill to capitalize with. I guess that’s not really something people consider when they complain about Mercy being OP?
No… That’s still an opinion. Who would you be to dictate what does and doesn’t belong in Overwatch? I think it’s fair to say that neither you nor I are in any place to make such statements without giving our opinions. Not at all factual.
The main reason why Mercy got reworked was due to a combination of pro players saying “Hide and Res breaks the game”, The SR exploit, and the team giving Mercy invincibility instead of giving her LOS. Here’s a fact: Mercy 1.0 was a troll pick with mass res, and only became a must-pick when she was given invincibility. Before then, she wasn’t broken nor OP, so that statement is subjectively false.
Mass res Mercy has lower pickrates and win rates than Valk Mercy, even current Mercy with the current nerfs has a HIGHER pick / win rate than Mercy back in 1.0. So mechanically she made more sense to the game than now, by far. In fact, Valkyrie has been compared more accurately to a spectator camera than anything with actual impact - and to be honest, I’m inclined to agree with them there.
Also you’re projecting. I don’t own any “one trick player base”, you may want to check your bias there.
Once again, you are projecting your own personal feeling about “mercy one tricks” and it seems to weaken your argument. “Your people” is irrelevant to this discussion and only shows your bias, so I suggest you work on getting that prejudice against Mercy mains under control.
Here’s another fact, since you seem to know so much about these “One tricks Mercy mains”: Mercy mains largely didn’t want the rework to begin with. The rework was forced upon them against their will. If you looked back, a lot of mercy mains did NOT want a rework, and didn’t like the rework when it went live. This is a hard pill to swallow, so I assume that this is news to you. If you want more hard pills to swallow that tells the actual truth about Mercy (instead of rumors people told you), I suggest taking a look at my other thread:
Almost 500 likes and 3-4 pages worth of proof my guy. I suggest reading up.
No complaints, just wanted to say you have a very nice and reasoned way of speaking with people and kudos to you for that. I wish I had that much self restraint, but I’m too much of a jerkbutt by nature. Keep up the good work!
A Thread with almost 500 likes proves you to be completely incorrect.
This just isnt how that works, another mercy main forgetting that this forum and that thread are overwhelmed by mercy mains, its called bias and the devs are aware of it, and thats why they dont pay attention to any mercy threads. Im with Sankaku multi rez should never return.
Just play the game? Even at 50 HPS right now it’s taken a major impact on Mercy’s HPS over time. Even with constant healing it’s hard to break 13k-14k healing. These numbers will be even lower if it went to 45 HPS.
Ana is 90 HPS (On Paper)
Moira is 110 HPS (On Paper)
There’s no reason to pick at least Moira in any circumstance.
Lowering it 5 HPS would be significantly lower than Ana’s and Moira’s making it harder to keep anyone alive in a team fight without just getting burst down.
Tell me, are you biased since you see terrible Ana’s and Moira’s while playing the game? I’ve been getting 15k+ with Ana since the Mercy Nerf.
You play on Console so please remember the game is totally different than on PC. Ana is still garbage on there.
That’s just an opinion bro. I suggest you cultists get off your high horses and get a dose of reality
Read enough alright - the dude wants Mass Rez to be back and have a 100hp burst AoE healing for everyone alive including Mercy. I think that was the funniest crazy Mercy suggestion I’ve read for this week.
It was hard for me to see the facts myself, and then Mercy had her 9th, and then her 10th nerf. And then I started doubting these nerfs as “doing anything.”
I’m more of a “wait and see”, long term type of person, so excuse me if I believe that this failure of a rework has time and time again, proved my theory right in that nerfing Mercy instead of reverting her Rez back to Q has done absolutely nothing to her current state. I’m looking forward to seeing her pick and winrates once again, rise back up to the top for the 11th time.
#RevertMercy
Cult? Oh that’s you projecting your prejudice on mercy mains against someone you hardly know. That’s fine then, I forgive your misconception
Also almost 500 likes = crazy Mercy suggestion? Hmmm, not sure about that. I don’t think they was the crazy one in that theory. I don’t think the idea of “If I don’t agree with it, it’s crazy” gives you a very strong argument there either. You may want to try again
I don’t only play on console. (lel)
You asking me if I’m biased based on bad Ana and Moira’s is irrelevant to this discussion. I’ve seen Moira’s and Ana’s hitting 18k+ healing before Mercy’s nerf, so that data is both subjective and unreliable. Just because you personally seen more anas and moiras healing, does not make it fact, so unless you have actual documented data that proves this, I am inclined to just write that off as a subjective opinion.
I guess we’re not going to mention how Reinhardt still has a higher pickrate than Mercy on avg. Are you suggesting we nerf him too? Also, since the nerfs, Mercy is still the top healer at the time of this post, so… not sure what you’re trying to prove. Maybe if you mentioned Ana and Moira being played more 2-3 weeks from now, you may actually have a good argument.
Yes, the Revert Mercy cult. You don’t speak for all the Mercy mains son. You speak for a very small yet incredibly vocal minority (all members on the forums as a matter of fact are a very small percent of the OW population). I play Mercy as well and enjoy her and find her fun. You don’t speak for me, nor do you represent me. You are a small loud group that unfortunately gives other Mercy players a bad name.
The fact that something is liked does not make it empirically valid. Thank god, Blizzard doesn’t listen to you. The idea is absolute bonkers and will make Mercy OP the likes of which we’ve never seen. Mass Rez + Burst AoE heal at the same time, get outta here, you guys are delusional
Oh and by the way, bring more smurfs to up-vote that thread. The number of people that have liked it with 0 posts on the forum and very low level (below 100) is staggering. You think you are so clever, go and check how many of those profiles are alt accounts
Multi rez is a trash ability that made me stop playing the game, i came back after the mercy rework because i hate it so much. No arguements about balance or win rates can convince me to not hate that ability. It ruins my games. Also the fact that she bounces back after nerfs doesnt mean they were a complete failure, it means weve moved in the right direction an amount and will continue to work on it. The bouncing of pickrates and such is just a result of people overreacting. Absolute number of nerfs means nothing, theyre edging her in a direction not just lopping off her head.
Oh wait, it’s just an opinion.
I think that was the funniest crazy Mercy suggestion I’ve read for this week.
