Apex is made by ppl who created Titanfall. So Apex take places of Titanfall 2
I am well aware. I just donât want to refer to Titanfall because itâs almost unrelated. Apexâs lore is independent from Titanfall.
only white male in apex:
bearded fatso in mask
locked behind paywall (only 2 of 8 characters are)
uses toxic gas
voiced by soldier76
absolutely useless for team skills with no synergy
itâs like âyouâd better to play our diverse castâ
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I find it genuinely baffling that anyone cares about this. Everyone could be Omnic and it would have zero impact on the game for me; there is simply no way to satisfy everyone and tick every box, you guys are insatiable and will never cease complaining.
Wait, really? Thatâs cool. Shame heâs locked.
i meanâŚreally as you play, you will unlock themâŚif you are lazy or cant waitâŚyou can justâŚbuy them with actual money
Itâs set in the same universe, afaik
Yeah, so? Itâs silly, just like the âwhiteâ descriptor. By reinforcing such nonsense youâre still defining yourself on their terms and give legitimacy to these racist distinctions. Or am i missing something?
Like i get it from a machiavellian pov, rejecting this might mean less people that identify themselves as black and that means being a weaker political and social entity. But how does that serve the average black person, thats now getting pressured to conform from both sides? (just to make sure you donât try to hang me on this, its of course not even close to an equal amount of pressure)
Genuine questions btw.
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So if apex adds future dlc characters will they be shoe horned because it wasnât in base game ?
Thatâs true, but Iâm not sure what you want one lone little black woman to do about it. We live in a society defined by a racial caste system. Itâs a fact of life. I canât practically or in meaningless online debate act like it doesnât exist simply because itâs an arbitrary system, no more than I can suddenly start running red lights just because thereâs no scientific law that says the wavelengths of light we perceive as red mean a vehicle on the road has to come to a stop. Social systems might be arbitrary, and they may have come from a place of malfeasance, but they still exist all the same, and equating their intangibility with nonexistence is fallacious.
Itâs a irrelevant question. If every black person today decided to suddenly stop calling themselves black, it doesnât mean white people will care, it doesnât mean weâll stop being discriminated against and disenfranchised, and it certainly doesnât mean that weâll be closer to achieving a post-racial society. Frankly, that goal isnât on our shoulders, as hard as we work for it; itâs on white people to start dismantling it from within because theyâre the only ones with the power to do so.
As for how racial categorization help black people in particular, it is ironically the foundation of our sense of community. The slave trade eliminated all ties to our native lands and forced completely disparate groups of people to come together and create something that hinges mainly upon navigating and overcoming systems of oppression. Our food, language, music and art, and other facets of culture and history all can be traced back as survival mechanisms in a system where weâre near the bottom. And while itâs a sad shambles, itâs nonetheless our own story, one weâre not obligated to simply give up just because itâs a reaction to an arbitrary social system. So I mean, itâs not that I want to call myself black because it gives me leverage in anything (although I do like black American culture) so much as I simply have nothing else to call myself from an ethnic context, and even if I tried it wouldnât matter. Iâd still see racism towards people who look like me all the time.
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Telling me what iâm missing.
Maybe i was too direct? You know i am bavarian, cultural tactfulness is not really our thing.
No, no. Of course one canât just ignore it as that would also mean turning a blind eye to the consequences. Rejecting or at least refusing to reinforce its legitimacy, not its existence.
Probably a bad example but i donât see catalonian independence happening without a popular rejection of Spainâs claim of authority over the area. It certainly is a fact of life right now though.
Fair enough.
I understand that. What i donât get is the, again undoubtedly far weaker, pressure for some kind of conformity from the other side. How does that help the average black person?
I know anecdote and all, but iâve personally seen how that âbeing pulled from all sidesâ or whatever can weigh on someone in my ex girlfriend. Born and raised in Germany, parents emigrated here from Turkey. Bigotry was always there, no matter how hard she tried to fit in. But the pressure from her family (which were not the stereotypical super conservative muslim kind btw) to also conform to these notions of what a âproper turkish womanâ ought to be like only made her feel worse.
Yeah, thatâs what i didnât think of when i wrote response. Iâm just not a fan of drawing lines in the sand and forcing people into boxes, if you forgive me some platitudes.
Letâs say Pharah does consider herself to be black or Lucio sees himself as latino because they prefer it that way and it gives them that sense of being part of a community they love or whatever. Whatâs the point of telling them âyou know, actuallyâŚâ?
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Two things: One, rejecting the system is effectively the same as ignoring it, and that can have catastrophic consequences for black individuals. Iâm not going to suddenly presume Iâm anything more than black around cops just because I simultaneously hold a moral viewpoint that cops should protect and serve me as they would a rich white dude. Living is a really nice thing Iâd like to keep maintaining as long as possible.
Second, I also donât believe that racial classifications are inherently malevolent, in the same way I donât think gender classifications are despite the existence of misogyny. The issue is instead how these classifications are wielded as tools of oppression. Itâs not being black thatâs a problem. Itâs the world disliking those who are black. I should be able to simply be black without anyone pitching a fit about it.
Itâs a survival mechanism. Race is not the same as nationality. Your example of the pull between Bavarian and Turkish culture is not necessarily anything I can relate to.
For one, black-targeted racism is near universal. There are very few places I can go in the world- including Africa- to escape it, while technically your girlfriend has a choice to simply return to Germany or generally more liberally-minded countries that accept âwhiteâ immigrants, so the only practical choice for black people is to make due with the hand weâre dealt.
Second, black people by and large like their culture because itâs the only thing we have. Your girlfriend has both Bavarian and Turkish ties. Again, we donât because of the slave trade. Whatever my ancestral ties are were destroyed centuries ago and at this point in the game, trying to reintroduce them back into my life would be the same as trying to force me to conform to being Japanese. Weâre black; thatâs the beginning and end of the matter.
Subsequently, the pressure we feel is in embracing what weâve created in a society that constantly tells us our culture and existence is wrong. What that tends to lead to on the other hand are countless stories of rediscovery. This is what youâll see in things like âblackout day,â âblack excellence,â natural hair stories, and so on. Our issue is in being ourselves in a world that almost universally dislikes us. Subsequentlyâ
If Pharah were a real person and trying to claim to be a part of black culture- a la Rachel Dolezal- Iâd tell her to go screw herself.
Black people have endured not just a rejection of their culture, but the systemic theft of it when itâs convenient. We have made large swathes of contributions to American history in terms of art, culture, technology, and innovation, and yet these stories are buried. Naturally, we donât like non-black people coming into the fold and trying to make claim to even our identity too. We as a people are not up for grabs.
And talk about cultural differences- we REALLY donât care how you feel about the issue of conformity and drawing lines in the sand. Our whole struggle is partly about trying to conform to merely survive. We have no sympathy for people with a less intimate view of the situation, for people who want to be black because itâs cool.
In a world fraught with systemic disenfranchisement against us, we have a right to establish the lines of our personal identity at the very least. Itâs as one uncharacteristically empathetic white guy said once: âBlack folks donât have much, but theyâll kill you over the little they have.â If you werenât down for the struggle from birth, you ainât black, and weâre largely not going to accept you when you try to come in at 30-something years old and suddenly say âHey guys, Iâm black too.â The most you would get is some amazing roasts on Black Twitter.
Now, Latino and Hispanic identity is a different story, because it seems to lean more to a national identity than an ethnic one. You can be a white Latino or a black Latino or mixed. I donât know if or how those hold in Brazil either. Lucio considering himself Latino wouldnât bother me, from a Brazilian context. But if he came up to America Iâd tell him to watch that, because thatâs simply not the way we do things here. To a cop, heâs black, and one who led a violent revolution too? Heâd easily be a hashtag like some of the original Ferguson protesters have become. Doesnât matter that heâs famous either- we just had an incident where a black television star almost got lynched by two white dudes.
Regardless, being an individual human being is about learning how to navigate uncontrollable systems of social order. Life isnât a Disney movie where being wholly yourself is 100% the correct thing to do and serves no consequences. It sucks, but life sucks. People make due either through acceptance or by trying to simply change the social order to better fit their needs.
So again your question of how it benefits black people to call themselves black, or even to gatekeep blackness, is just inherently nonsense from my point of view, because it hinges on this idea that we actually have that much of a choice, or that the choice is in our hands, or that we want to make the choice to discard it. Itâs not a nationality or a citizenship you can just apply for. Me being black is simply all there is from an ethnic standpoint. And I like my culture. So why would I want to throw it away just because non-black folks donât understand???
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Some of what youâve written others have told me before but i did get my answers, i think. And thereâs not a lot to respond to or disagree, so iâll just leave it at that. Except for a clarification.
Well, it may have been formulated in a nonchalant way but itâs just not about validating feelings or wanting your sympathy. Why the hell would i ask these provocative questions if i wanted that? I believe it to be a rational conclusion and essential to universal solidarity.
No disrespect towards you was personally meant. But when we start talking about issues of identity and race from the lens of black people, you have to understand that this has all been laid out millions of times before over centuries. I donât perceive myself to be really doing much except regurgitating thought from black activists who in turn is taking all of this from black civil rights leaders who in turn took all of this from black abolitionists; and all of that stuff is easily accessible and has been said so many times before that, honestly, thereâs no reason what Iâm saying should be new or controversial. So when someone comes along and asks black people why we deal with race and identity in the ways we do, you slowly start wondering why youâre answering the same questions over and over and over again, and then you start feeling like youâre being taken for a ride.
Frankly, black people donât want to always be put in charge of answering provocative questions about ourselves, especially because to most people, they are indeed just questions, little thought exercises to mull over and play about with on the Internet before moving on to something else that actually concerns their day-to-day. But to us, weâre constantly having to explain our whole damn life story and identity, to justify ourselves when sometimes we just want to be left alone for a single day, and there is an inherent annoyance with a part of you being treated like a cavalier debate exercise in a pub, even from people like you who approach with obviously good intentions and an interest in wanting to understand, people like you who I genuinely appreciate. So expect some shortness, and even for some folks to tell you to buzz off. I tend to do the latter around here because most people donât even want to engage and have me answer anything like you have. They want a fight, and Iâm not about to fight with white gamers of all people on things I know Iâve got the moral high ground on. Iâd rather just talk about why Lucioâs the bomb-diggety.
I donât think thatâs how psychology works. I mean, think of all the evil British villains in media, no one with a brain takes that as a serious representation of British people.
My point is, if someone is stupid enough to believe whatever they see in media theyâre likely stupid enough to ignore a message that contradicts their beliefs.
I still fail to see how. Simply seeing any other race in something wonât educate people, at most itâll just remind them that other races exist I guess?
Thatâs true but not all media has a message. Especially online shooters that are just made for fun. Think about call of duty, in multiplayer you can play as any gender/race but thereâs no message to be ingested. Itâs just a personal preference.
Thatâs what I think all this is, when people ask for specific identities itâs just because they want a little bit of themselves in the game, which is totally fine but I wish people would stop acting like itâs some grand crusade for representation.
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I mean iâm sure a black female will come. But this game is much more diverse than Apex Legends. I feel like people think black people are the only race thatâs under represented in games. This game has egyptians, indians, asians, 2 black guys, hispanics, mechs, old woman, a body builder woman. pacific islander, This game is much more divsese than Apex Legends or any other game for that matter, than by a long shot. But having 2 black females = more diverse to some people apparently.
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That is a lot to just say âI shouldnât have to educate you.â when people are asking genuine questions wanting to be educated. While I agree race is a thing all us black people deal with. Some of us deal with it in a much more different way that has been much more successful than making villains of people that arenât from a time passed.
While I agree and disagree with things you said, donât ever turn down someone asking a genuine question. You may think they are just âmulling it over and moving onâ but youâd be surprised how often things like this stick with people. It is also especially important that people hear from several sides involving what us black people think. I donât think current well known black activists do a good job on either side (both are pretty extreme). I would also like to point out a lot of the narrative involving black people is handled and controlled by rich/upper middle class white people. Both for progressive (and sometimes radical) activism as well as conservative and (and sometimes radical) activism.
The entire thing is much more nuanced than you are giving it credit for, and hating or disliking current white people (especially millennial white people) does nothing to help.
You poor thing. They arenât obsidian black skin toned, thus arenât counting towards the quota.
Please learn to read. I am well aware but Apex Legends lore has little to do with Titanfall lore. It is independent of Titanfall lore.