Swap E-Rez with Valkyrie | Make Rez an Ultimate Again

[Tsene-21123]

No revert. It won’t happen

[CrazyDiamond-11904]

It’s not coming back. I remember I once asked on the old forums if there would ever be a time that you would move on and accept that Mass Res isn’t coming back and you told me you’d give it two years. I think we very well may hit that two year point at this time.

Mercy maybe needs some radical changes to her kit(another rework) but I don’t think we’ll be seeing it anytime soon and I don’t believe that it will come in the form of mass resurrection.

[Megadodo-11847]

I believe if there are people who play the game who are unhappy, something most certainly needs to be done about it.

I am very unhappy with the Torb rework.

What was done (by me) is I moved on to other characters

[RevertMercy-1304]

I am very unhappy with the Torb rework.

What was done (by me) is I moved on to other characters

As have I. It doesn’t mean that I am content with how Mercy is right now, nor does it mean that I don’t have the right to speak up about it. I find my favorite hero to still be unengaging, unimpactful, and unrewarding to play, and until they come up with another hero with an ability like Mass res, and is a pure pacifist in the game, with a similar aesthetic to Mercy, I will continue to voice my complaints about the injustice that was done to her. My opinion!

You realise that you’ll more than likely be making your voice heard long after the game stops being supported, right? I understand your enthusiasm for Mercy but I think more constructive conversation will be looking at how to expand on Mercy’s existing kit. Blizzard seem like they intend on letting Valk stick around as an ultimate, so instead of saying “bring back mass rez”, let’s talk about the changes that could be made to Valk and the rest of Mercy’s kit.

That is an assumption. Neither you nor I know what the future holds, nor whether or not that future includes Mass res reverted back in Mercy’s ultimate or not. You are of course fine to believe that it won’t happen. I will stay with my belief that it will, and hope for the best. If that never happens, even after the game is dead and gone, so be it. Until then, I’ll be quite happy right here, continuing to voice my opinions, as I always have. Thanks for the concern though!

For example I had a concept for Mercy to become a stalemate breaker hero, with Valk being a single target beam which combines both damage boost and healing, as well as allowing Mercy to overheal a target for 20% of their max HP (by giving them decaying shields similar to Doomfist). Rez is replaced by a new ability which surrounds Mercy and whoever she is healing with a barrier for 4 seconds. This barrier removes debuffs (hack, burn, freeze, antiheal) and gives the protected players a 30% damage resistence. My thought process is this: The best medicine is prevention.

That’s an interesting suggestion, but your idea of removing ressurect has me wondering. If you have the belief that Mass Rez won’t be coming back, why then would you have the belief that they will remove ressurect altogether? Surely you are aware when the devs made it clear that ressurect as an ability is not going to be removed right? Wouldn’t this idea conflict your previous views in terms of what you think the devs or Blizzy is “intent” on?

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[Silentstrike-1319]

You are correct. As a Mercy main, Mercy 1.0’s niche was that her kit was overall fairly underwhelming because of her super powerful ultimate. It’s what kept her in line, and I was fine with that niche. But it also still needed a little help as she was underperforming overall.

The only way to give Mercy an E ability with Mass Res would be to give her something that has little/no impact on the fight itself. Something like launching Mercy in the air without the assistance of a teammate or something like that. Even a 2-3s free flight Valk. But it would include nothing but free flight.

To compensate for LoS check and cast time, a small burst heal can be given to living teammates to encourage tempo ressing even further, and a small damage reduction instead of invulnerability to Mercy.

I think this would make her overall very balanced and fun, but also keeps the ult spamming in check, which we desperately need.

There’s still a chance for big resses, but it is very unlikely unless the enemy pays no attention to the Mercy (to which she deserves that res then).

[AvatarYang-1655]

2 More Mercy Rework Ideas , 2 mercy rework ideas feedback please!

[Ryan-111758]

• Mercy gets her voiceline reverted
• Mercy gets her healing reverted back to 50hps
• Valkyrie’s healing gets reverted back to 60hps

I suppose that notion hasn’t quite been put to rest, has it?

• Mercy gets 4 skin specific E ressurect voice lines for the enemy to hear
• Mercy gets several Valkyrie ultimate specific lines. (Valkyrie is charging, Valkyrie is almost ready, Valkyrie is ready, get in there, I will watch over you!)
• Jeff and Geoff both say they have no plans, intention, or desire to revert Mercy and want to put the notion to rest (aka asking the community to stop asking for it)

I really don’t care either way, as long as Mercy is fun and balanced, but I think it’s a bit silly to think mass rez is ever coming back considering all the times they have quite literally said it isn’t.

[Malmortus-11174]

Valk is lame, mass rez is lame, and mercy is boring. Her kit is so basic she can only be underpowered or overpowered.

Basically sums everything up.

[Lias-11313]

Valk is lame, mass rez is lame, and mercy is boring. Her kit is so basic she can only be underpowered or overpowered.

Basically sums everything up.

1 star support struggles yo

[Fail4Me-1179]

It’d be like a resurrect pulse-bomb which is nice I think.
Burst healing has never been mercy’s job however. Maybe a temporary valkyrie that lasts 4 seconds and amps the single-beam up, but still with an over time healing effect.

[Tom1315-2706]

Not sure, but I would guess that they have been enjoying life doing other things, instead of keeping track of which group of the playerbase is making posts on the forums. But that may just be a hunch.

Doesn’t take a genius to notice when you’re gone, the forums actually had debates and threads that weren’t mercy related, but I guess you wouldn’t know that, just being passive aggressive is pretty obvious that you’re just toxic.

I’m also active of the forums daily (while attending a job and college gasp) and frequent Mercy discussion as I’m a Mercy main, the only one I’ve seen was the one I made. So please I implore you to watch that passive aggressive attitude, just another reason to label revert Mercy players as toxic.

[RevertMercy-1304]

Doesn’t take a genius to notice when you’re gone, the forums actually had debates and threads that weren’t mercy related, but I guess you wouldn’t know that, just being passive aggressive is pretty obvious that you’re just toxic.

I’m also active of the forums daily (while attending a job and college gasp ) and frequent Mercy discussion as I’m a Mercy main, the only one I’ve seen was the one I made. So please I implore you to watch that passive aggressive attitude, just another reason to label revert Mercy players as toxic.

Good for you! I wish you well in your endeavors. Have a good one then!

I really don’t care either way, as long as Mercy is fun and balanced, but I think it’s a bit silly to think mass rez is ever coming back considering all the times they have quite literally said it isn’t.

And I think it’s quite silly to think that they are referring to mass res never coming back, when no such confirmation has been made, outside of semantics and assumed intentions on wordplay. But alas, we are free to have our own views on what was / wasn’t said regarding the ability. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on it. However, the important thing to know, is that they have been known to go back on their word in this game. I wouldn’t be surprised if that occurrence happens yet again in the future.

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~Sincerely Yours xoxo,
a Lover of True, Fair, and Fun Balance.
xavvypls

[Tom1315-2706]

Good for you! I wish you well in your endeavors. Have a good one then!

Thanks! I wish you luck on getting Mass Rez back!

[Tenor-11929]

I’m fine with most of the listed changes except for two:

30% damage reduction instead of invincibility,

This defeats the point of the cast time.

Make Valkyrie the E move on a 25 second cooldown and a 6 second duration. Keep the same aspects as before (flight / inf bullets), except for half it’s previous GA range, a single target beam, and a boost of her healing to 75hps. This ability will also give Mercy some ult charge.

You have to pick one: Mass Rez or Valk. You can’t have both.

and more CC introduced which can completely deny her team resses, the time for a revert has never been better.

To me, it’s the opposite. They need to slowly roll back the amount of CC in the game to make the game flow better. There’s no worse feeling than playing tank and getting hit by every CC ability the enemy team has in their reserve.

One more thing I’d like to add is a visible radius ( a la Lucio) that shows who’s getting rezzed.

[Racillian-1752]

A better solution would just be single Rez as an ultimate with a low charge cost and no cast time.

Then give her a new E that provides a burst healing effect so she can actually heal tanks. At current she literally takes 10-12 seconds to heal a low health tank.

All I can say is it at least this puts Rez in a more appropriate place (an Ultimate) which is far more interesting then a static cooldown.

If Mercy was dying and underperforming she’d not her Rez consistently and she’d generally be a burden on her team.

Yes this is actually a direction I want to see with Rez. I want poor performance to cost you, so that good performance actually makes a noticeable difference!

It’d add a considerable amount of skill to the hero, while making her more impactful and less cumbersome to play.

At least Rez wouldn’t so nothing of a thought and having it more often means your pulling your weight more (because it had to be earned and not given as a cooldown).

The current Rez just feels awful to use.

I agree because it disables you and slows you I think a cast-time that can interrupted is good thou. Having a charge up to use Rez (but not disable you) would make it at least more predictive to use.

I feel like at that point you just want the current rez to be instant again

See my comment above I think a cast-time provides good counter-play and adds a challenge to using Rez.

It doesn’t take that long to get her ult currently

True but this single point Rez Ultimate is lesser power than Valkyrie so a reduced cost is reasonable.

Also would that really give back everyone’s Super Impactful and Engaging Fix that you all complain about? A single rez as an Ult?

Not completely but at least Rez would be earned this way and poor play means less Rez which I also like, since I find it BS that a bad Mercy can get same access to Rez since its just given away on a cooldown.

And it would replace Valkyrie which is a major plus to me because I hate how much Valkyrie plays the game for me and makes everything too easy.

[Lias-11313]

since I find it BS that a bad Mercy can get same access to Rez since its just given away on a cooldown.

What’s this sort of elitism/entitlement with Rez?

That’s an oddly common as a complaint and I never got it

[Racillian-1752]

What’s this sort of elitism/entitlement [wanting a sense of accomplishment for playing well] with Rez?

That’s an oddly common as a complaint and I never got it

Its about having variability that is controlled by your ability to perform your role well (as a healer in this case with Mercy) and that giving you access to the powerful and distinctive ability Rez creating the sense that your playing well is why you getting the chance to Rez rather than the current Rez which is just there and is static relative to your ability to play well.

[Cleopatra-21937]

Wonder when devs will find out, that Valkyrie buffs are not improving Mercy at all. No matter how you look at it, support ultimate that easily stopped by focus fire isn’t going to work.

[Tom1315-2706]

The only players I’ve seen complain about Mercy saying she’s not improving or is still trash is revert players. It’s hard to take any of you seriously sometimes so honestly I ignore most of you for the simple fact you won’t seem happy or satisfied with Mercy unless she gets a revert

You all ask for people to be open minded but the moment someone says she isn’t getting a revert or Valkyrie is good you expload and call us toxic and just harass us for having a different opinion. (It feels like it 90% of the time)

Seriously it’s just you guys that don’t like Mercy, revert players… it say something something. That’s why you’re ignored, you aren’t even giving the rework a chance nor will you ever…

But that’s just my opinion from my overall experience with you guys. Not fact.

[Cleopatra-21937]

It’s been explained multiple times, why Valkyrie is bad, via numbers.
Numbers do not care about personal opinions, and it’s fairly obvious, that teammate with 140/300 hps is surviving better, than with 60.

It also been explained, why buffing Valkyrie to acceptable levels will simply shift balance problem it presents to next healer.

Power of Valkyrie was mostly located in multiple rez charges it provided. It was removed, and suddenly it’s no good ult.

Rework had a chance, and it failed hard.