I think you’re missing the point and being pretty standoffish.
I will read the rest of your post but real quick, I’m not asking for a revert to old numbers. Used to be 65/130/195 and I’m asking for 80/120/180. Just a better stage 1.
We had a much more frequent tp for over a year across various meta shifts and we legit do not see teams tp’ing around more than now. We did see however sym herself going around more often which I don’t see why that’s a bad thing given how she’s stuck outside of her primary and orb’s effective range for so often so long now.
Not even the pros back then with all the coordination they had didn’t used tp differently compared to now. It’s also even arguable people would be less willing to take tp too because they’re too lazy to track its duration and rather not risk getting stuck somewhere.
As to whether you think sym using tp for her own mobility is cheese, then I would like to know whether you think all the instantaneous non-destructible mobility with likely less cd are cheese as well. If not, then why the double standard?
can you give me a list of heroes she is favorable against (with reasons)?
and because I know this will eventually lead to “she just needs X Y Z on her team with her to do A B C”, at what point does needing to suck up a lot of team resources due to deficiency of her kit will you consider her as in need of buffs or changes?
You must understand, the XYZ,ABC are components of good team play.
In any solo queue game, the components of good team play may not exist. When team play is weak, for any hero, it doesn’t mean it’s time for a buff to be more independent.
you answered neither of my questions and not even the most important one:
how much of “needing teammates to actively make up for the hero’s weakness” does a hero need to have before they’re considered weak and needing balance changes for you?
like if there was a hero that had reaper’s shot guns but infinite ammo and ult but no abilities nor passives, would you still say they’re just “niche” and “team dependent” according to your logic? like you can totally make it work with double shield or some kind of deathball comp to team pocket it as it w+m1…
like if we look at the rest of the cast that aren’t struggling with viability, do they suck up as much team resources as sym does? no, because they actually do have a reasonably good mix of sustain, effective range, mobility and burst in their own kit for their role, even the supports.
and they have that good mix to ensure that they can individually put out a reasonable amount of value because most people solo queue i.e. most likely won’t have high teamwork.
Yes with massive downsides and it’s all he can do when he does it and he’s immobile.
No way should we do that kind of damage!
Is that what that was? Sounded like you had no good answer so threw a toddler tantrum.
If a hero needs mega coordination to be as good as a hero who doesn’t need that, she’s lacking. The devs have also admitted to trying to make heroes less team reliant so we feel more impactful in our play. This is directly contradicted by their infinite TP patch.
i mean to be fair she has triangle/“three” themes everywhere
the points of her gun
the back of her gun/side of her gun
the triangle she makes in her poses
her side head-fan thingies with the blue jewels and then the one on her forehead
the 3 bumps on her shoulderpad
one could even argue tank/heal/dps back when she gave everyone “tank” health and “regenerating” health and barrier with a decent amount of damage
the list literally goes on for quite a while but you get the point
60/120/180 still follows the rule of 3, and it adds up to 360
but, i mean, yea, 60dps on her primary still doesn’t fit the game, itself
The problema Is the teleport, not the damage. It is top much less impacted in the game and often the people ignote It very well. Or they use it only as a respawn taxi.
having a good mix of sustain, mobility, effective range and burst for their role != abandoning team work.
teamwork comes from the player, not whether you have crippling weaknesses in your kit.
just look at the supports:
mercy has shorter ranged heal but has really high mobility to zip to teammates to heal them without needing them to wait for her unreasonably. she also has regen to self heal because she has to zip around to heal the ever high demanding team. she has a pistol if she can’t fly to someone too for self defense
lucio aura is fixed around him, but he has speed boost and wall ride speed boost to get himself near allies rather than demanding allies to slow down for him. lucio even has amp which gives him burst for heal/speed once he arrives so he can be more reactive.
ana and zen have no mobility, but they have long enough effective range for both heal and dps that wasd is enough and so the team doesn’t have to deathball pocket them like current live sym.
similar can be said about bap tbh
brig’s packs are given range because otherwise team will have to anchor themselves closely to brig for any healing or peeling from her. she also has her boop being ranged for the same reason.
and do they have no teamwork in their gameplay just because their kits actually have reasonable capacity to individually get things done for their role? obvs no.
they all have a good mix to not constantly suck up too many team resources, i.e. not be a constant liability.
sym, does not have such a mix, and that is a problem.