Why not? That’s a fun comp. That’s my favourite comp. At least the people picking tanks and supports in OQ were actually tank/support players who enjoyed and understood the roles.
You know what actually sucks? Two tanks who are just pressing W and feeding for priority passes because they’re really just dps players, and a dps Ana who is really just a Widow main also farming priority passes.
RQ was not this game’s saving grace, it just tried to more stringently control what players could do, and that, friends, is not a good thing. Anytime the devs take away our autonomy in that matter, it really starts to narrow the potential of the game. And it did. In a big way. But not a good way.
Ive literally said it dude. Are you reading? Put RQ in the LFG only.
Not really, again WOOSH.
The point is NOT splitting the queues.
Also for 1 year OQ didnt existed, they FORCED the entire playerbase into RQ. Are you forgetting things now?
The same? You are getting confused.
People on OQ was not complaining that people didnt play the config their wanted pal so no, it can NOT be said about OQ.
… what?
Kaplan declared that most matches with 3 roles representation were the most played and in them, most of them had at least 1 tank, and mostly 1-2 healers, 3-4 DPS.
So yeah, that 5 DPS thing is a myth.
I dont have to. Remember? RQ empowers me now if I dont want to
I only play MH buddy. And yeah I did, I am one of those True flex players that played everything so thanks for the advice but no thanks. No RQ and Forced 222.
No thanks.
Wrong. We know dps players are a majority of the player base. Even if you got a 2-2-2 match in open queue, it’s almost certain that one or more of your tank/support teammates will be a dps filling. In this case you would almost always be at a disadvantage vs a team that has tanks/supports who are actually tank/support players.
Oh I dont like having lower quality and fairness in my games? Yeah guilty mate.
Also this happened in early 2019 pal, not now ok ? and yes, its a RQ thing. Since it didnt happen with OQ, again do the math.
Moving the goalpost much? I dont have to prove anything that logically follows pal.
Also asking for numbers that pretty much Blizzard only has makes zero sense. Again if you want to be in denial, suit yourself.
I never said its solely because RQ, but denying it was a HUGE factor is being hardcore disingenuous pal.
Lack of content killed the game, then RQ.
This is not new, even some of you conveniently forget many streamers leaving because of that and many players in early 2019 leaving and our friendslists going down significantly it doesnt mean it didnt happen.
But hey, before you ask me for written statements and screen caps about my friendlist etc, you do you. Believe what you want to but then again - im telling it like it is
I would say the lack of support, content, and balance for the last few years is what drove players away. Role queue was a good addition in my eyes, it has some drawbacks but was overall very positive for me. I don’t have an issue with Q times at any time of day, but I play on console NA.
I’m just asking you for proof of anything you’re saying. You’re argument just boils down to it’s common sense bro. You’re post is filled with nothing but anti-RQ bias and I wonder if your conclusions aren’t just drawn from this lol.
You are not dude and dont be disingenuous about it.
Literally posted the logic and why I said things and you are just throwing skepticism because you have nothing else to refute it.
What are you asking right now, screenshots, backlogs of people’s profiles and friendslist ? tabs with at least 200 matches with people from 4 different ranks? Cmon now …
If you have nothing of substance to refute that, we are done.
I’m not sure if it’s only me but matches with priority pass or flex queue are extremely unbalanced.
Role queue wasn’t bad but lack of mmr and sr reset was typical big brain move from Blizzard. It messed up the ladder and it’s not uncommon to see someone with 3.8k in one role but 2.6k in another. But who even cares anymore.
I’m not sure what’s the plan with the clowns at Blizzard. The biggest joke they’ll do:
You carry over your rank as well in OW2. At this point OW is a social experiment to figure out the tolerance of the community.
Orisa used to also play like that since her barrier was stronger & fortify was weaker. Now with her barrier being weaker & fortify being stronger she’s more useful outside of just having a shield.
You do realize that the vast majority of tank players & players in general left prior to role queue right? The playerbase went from like 50 million to a fraction of that by the time role queue finally came out. If role queue was implemented at launch instead we’d have a much larger playerbase.
Well, myself & many others don’t. It’s not exactly fun for me to slow walk towards the enemy holding my barrier most of the match. I’d rather have 400 less HP & move faster like Rein does now because it puts power in my hands, not my teammates who are relying on the barrier. Same with Orisa. I’d rather have a stronger fortify & weaker barrier instead of a stronger barrier & be weaker without it. I’m playing tank so that I have value, not just to enable my team.
Barriers needed to be nerfed. It’s called “the great barrier nerf patch” for a reason
People don’t play Overwatch to shoot at blue walls for most of the game. That’s not fun.
That was the biggest problem Overwatch had… that you could stack more than 2 of any role on a team which caused major synergy issues. Why play DPS when you can play 3-3 instead?
Same.
Same. I’ll take a longer queue with a higher quality game any day.
It’s been years so I’ve forgotten, but how were tanks “Dumpstered” prior to 2-2-2? We had Goats meta and triple tank meta before 2-2-2, they couldn’t have been that weak.
Yea Hyphen is sorta forgetting that we haven’t had new content for 2 years & is blaming role queue for queue times…
What are the numbers however. Was it a complete analysis or just an offhand remark with no real depth to it?
Because the issue before RQ was always that people didnt change until the last minute to literally 2-2-2. So are those stats during all match or just by the end?
So you want the playerbase that does not want open queue to play open queue for either your personal queue times or some silly, worthless moral victory?
You seem to both believe that the people who vastly prefer RQ are somehow both a loud minority AND at the same time enough to make a dent in queue times. Pick one.
Except that Orisa is always actively shooting so its not ‘‘hold your shield and do nothing else’’.
Yes after a year and half of nerfs to tank survivability because of GOATS backlash.
You dont even play any of the tanks you are whining about. You play Hog Dva.
They never did.
You have flankers. You have shield busters. You have heroes who literally bypass or feed off them.
Oh wait only hitscans and snipers are allowed to be good. My bad. Cant have barriers that counter Widow/Ashe/Soldier/McCree, lets break the game’s foundations for the sake of hitscanwatch.
Again dude, its proven already. I already gave you the facts and the logics.
You moving the goalpost because you deny that is true is not my issue. Not going to compile and send you a folder with all the research that you seem to be asking for. Specially when you can literally go into comp at a non-peak hour and see that happens all the time.
It was a Dev post and it has way more weight than some dudes complaining in a forum that almost all their matches had 5 DPS. That was unproven so I am not going to go into that,
My personal que … dude, that would affect EVERYONE’s queues, for the better. WDYM ?
What moral victory am I achieving by wanting to lower EVERYONE’S queue times as much as possible while ALSO adding the possibility of using RQ via LFG so everyone has their cake an can eat it?
How is that bad? lol.
False. You made this up 100%.
My claim is that people complaining 5 DPS were a big issue and it happened all the time are simply overexaggerating and its not true at all. Since Jeff stated that, nothing much to say there.
Also chill with the accusations and the name calling ok? I am the most consistent here while you seem to riff raff and make assumptions about my sentences.
Uh, not really? A lot of players were peer pressured into picking tank/healer in open queue bc everyone knows the game is lost at hero select if you don’t have at least one of each.
Even if you were already a tank/healer main, it wasn’t a good time. Very few heroes are capable of solo tanking/solo healing effectively, so most of the already sparse tank/support hero options were basically unavailable from the get-go.
Not having a second tank/support to “share the load” put a LOT of pressure on the Solo tank/healer, so the only way to not crash and burn was to already be really, really good at the hero you’re already playing.
To my knowledge, the only players who could regularly solo tank/solo heal without burning out and hating the position they’ve been pressured into were players who mained/one-tricked Reinhardt, Dva and Mercy before any of them were reworked/nerfed into the ground. That’s it.
How the Hell did it create more problems than it solved? Different problems replaced the old ones, but it by no stretch of the imagination made more. It fixed a ton more with general match quality. And double barrier with Sigma and Orisa wasn’t role queue’s fault because it could have existed without role queue. So if you’re including that as a list of problems due to role queue, don’t. It’s stupid to blame role queue for that.
As for queue times, they can try more and more to fix those queue times, but player interest is primarily with the DPS category. It sucks that queue times can be so long and priority passes were introduced with a complete misunderstanding of how if everyone uses one, no one effectively has one. And they only refund the priority pass if it’s way way over the suggested time … the suggested time of queueing without one. They estimated time of a priority pass queue is always such a blatant lie. 2 minutes or sometimes even a minute. But in reality much more than that.
But whether you like it or not, Role Queue is one of the best updates we have ever received.
You need to compare the number of otp before and after to prove anything. Since you have neither it’s silly to claim you know anything. Someone can easily say the game has less otp now because RQ-flex queue, and nerfs to most common otp heroes like Sym or Mercy have either become less powerful than their peak stats or been reworked to alienate those communities. There’s more nuance here to simply say that one player vs five players to compete with for hero picks means more otp. There are a lot heroes in the game now so the possibility of meeting another otp who mains your hero was always pretty rare.
So on one hand to claim the devs on your side and yet they implemented 2-2-2. So either the devs arent as trusthworthy with their words or they deemed 2-2-2 necessary.
Curious.
Ah yes, lower the quality of matches for the sake of queue times.
Good ol proven recipe for total success.
You alternate between being outraged at the idea of people activelly wanting and choosing RQ but at the same time outraged at the idea of Blizzard ‘‘forcing’’ RQ.
Literally none of what you say makes sense at all, you claim contradicting things half the time.
Hope people realize if it wasn’t for role queue we would probably be in an even worst state where you can have 3 Aoe Healers and TRIPLE shield or double shield with Hog
