You should never be able to leave, second + leavers is game sabotage for me. Any kind of leaving except real life stuff or connection issue is game sabotage.
Blizzard leaving system is poor anyway. They should change it.
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Not everyone who leaves does so intentionally.
There are a multitude of reasons that can cause someone to disconnect from a game unintentionally.
The current system is already unfair to those people who should not be punished at all.
As such, I vehemently oppose your request to further villify unintentional disconnects.
The actual best solution to the problem of leavers in Competitive is already in game in other modes - backfill.
Comp is not qp. Backfill in comp would be problematic from various reasons.
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It would obviously need to be tweaked to fit in with Competitive, but it would completely solve the problem of leavers.
There is also no way to tell if someoneâs disconnect is genuine or purposeful (such as pulling an ethernet cable)
And thatâs why they are punished the same (and have to be)
This is 100% accurate and what iâve been pounding the table for since season 1.
Punishments do nothing to help the team left behind, they do not stop anyone from leaving who wants to leave, and increasing punishments only increases the collateral damage to people who arenât the target of such punishments.
It would be a huge improvement for a lot of reasons, and most of the problems youâre going to mention are negligible.
It boggles my mind that in a world of âit doesnât matter what innocent parties get hurt, INCREASE PUNISHMENTSâ, which is absurd, we also say âdonât add a backfill system because it might be problematic despite helping most of the communityâ
Itâs like weâre aiming for this perfect solution that doesnât exist. Increasing penalties does not work unless youâre fine with banning people who arenât your target and harming the community as a whole.
Backfill would be a huge improvement despite the negligible issues it brings with it.
Make it award CP, no SR. Basically creates an unranked competitive mode.
The common issue raised here is âwhat if people troll?â
If iâm on the team with a leaver, iâll take even a 50% chance of a troll (it wouldnât be anywhere near that high) for a shot at a fair match and winning.
Whatâs the worst case scenario after a troll fills a leaver spot? You just still lose?
Seems like itâs only possible to get better. Canât get worse no matter what happens.
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Not really, because you cant use backfill instantly if someone leave. You still have to give the leaver chance to come back. Or do you think backfill should be used instantly like in qp? People would not be happy with that at all.
People donât like it as it is. Still an improvement for the majority of the community.
They dont like what? Having leaver?
I honestly dont know anyone who likes to be backfilled in qp.
Like tell me how would entire backfill system work, all the rules, rules when it will be used, if backfilled people will be rewarded with sr? How much? What if they troll? There is too many issue with it honestly.
Iâve already answered all of your concerns in previous posts regarding how it would work and trolls. Please revisit those posts.
I wont take a chance because leavers often join back. And if i will have leaver i will lose less sr.
And i still dont see your opinion about when it should be used in your reactions.
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if someone leaves should backfill be used instantly or after 2 minutes. If not, you are not giving leaver chance to come back.
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would backfill be optional or forced. If optional, tank players would not be using it at all and support players very rarely. So matchmaker would have hard time to fill match with someone except its dps role.
They often donât, too. If you want to pick nits to avoid an improvement, by all means, add a pause and a 1 minute timer (this is a bad idea, imo).
Thereâs going to be collateral damage no matter how you change things (there already is collateral damage with current leaver penalties)
If you want to make it effective, pausing isnât an option, as it could be easily used to disrupt a match by someone with ill intent.
Instant replacement is the best option, and itâs better than the current system by far. The compromise might be something like a 60 second timer, but the longer the match is played with a missing player, the more the disadvantage snowballs.
Backfill would be optional. You have no data to support that it would be ineffective and itâs worth experimenting with simply because if it DOES work it would be a HUGE boon to the community.
I donât understand why there is so much resistance to an objectively huge improvement to the game. Are there flaws? Absolutely. Are they worse than whatâs in place now? Absolutely not.
The alternative is leaving things the same. And they suck as is.
I dont need data for that, logic is enough. There is no reason tank player would use it because queue times for tank are low. Why would tank player waste time backfilling when he can play comp to earn sr instead. Nobody cares about cp points anyway these days.
Edit: maybe it could be used with some other changing to system. Lets say dps player could be using backfill to go into tank or sup roles but it would lower their dps queue time next queue or something like that.
Your âlogicâ amounts to âI donât have to support my arguments.â Absolute nonsense. This is arguing in bad faith, so thereâs no discussion to be had here.
I legit do not have the time or energy for a bad faith discussion. You had no intention of listening or compromising. Such a waste of both of our time
I said logic is enough and i gave you argument right after i said thatâŚ
Like did you even read rest of my post lol?
I support this OP. Alot of leavers do it on purpose and will take the hit just cause they are mad. A better system to punich them would be more effective.
Itâs not, and your arguments are illogical. The problem is that iâm reading what youâre saying.
Done with this thread, thank you for wasting my time. Live in ignorance with your âlogicâ
I see, so you are the one without arguments. I gave you exact reason why tank players wont use it and you are unable to come with counter argument. Ok then, good discussion 
Troll confirmed. If this is your takeaway, itâs clearly you who is not reading.
Hence bad faith. You arenât here to discuss or argue, you are here to disrupt and troll.
This thread was actually a great discussion until you showed up, but that seems to be your role on these forums.
Really, truly sad. But thatâs what this community has become.
We see you for who you are. You are not the logical, moral beacon youâve deceived yourself into thinking you are. You are a basic, petty internet troll pounding a keyboard.
I am here exactly for that, for argue and discuss but you are clearly not. Because in moment when someone will challenge your opinion you start crying and pull of trolling card. Thats funny.
Yeah it was great discussion when people did agree with your opinion. When someone will tell you different opinion, fun is gone right?
Yeah, you are right. Its sad as this community is crying about anything basicly and presenting ideas without even thinking about conseuences. People in this age are so fragile lol, few arguments and they start crying about trolling or how they are attacked.
Oh i am very logical person. Thats why I dont think its good idea to implement backfill into comp. It can have benefit in certain situation yes, but they are very limited. I can give you some examples later why it can be actualy harmfull more than beneficial if you are not afraid to discuss it more.
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The backfill option is great but youneed to add something to make it work.
The one that is filling in should have 0 SR loss for joining a game in progress.
So itâs a win win for that person and your team has a change to compete with the 6 player team again.
(This seems fair to both parties.
The one which has 6 players already have more ults build up then the newly joined player⌠and the other team is whole again instead of a person short)