I can do that.
Ok so you said that
I agree wholeheartedly with this. Talking with your teammates and negotiating roles is very productive, and the way to go.
I said that
That is not chronologically correct, but that is the point we were discussing. We agree that discussion with your team is key. I argue that having information on what you’re teammates do well is helpful in that conversation.
My question is, do you disagree with that?
Back then no one tilted or threw because of their teammates or continued tilting into the next game. Back then anyone being chronically unpleasant was either immediately banned or repeatedly teleported off the map and then banned.
Not sure what alternate reality you live in, it was a much more civilized era back then.
It’s quite hard when there’s 2-3 people not on voice every game, I can’t spend 10 minutes negotiating who can play what in text chat while I have zero information about who they are, while if I can see someone’s favorite heroes include 4 hitscans I can just type “Hey player X I see you like to play hitscan, can you go for McCree or S76?”
Well that’s kind of the nature of the beast when it comes to playing with others, isn’t it? Part of this is accepting that you’re not in charge and that people are going to do what they want to do. Having profiles isn’t going to make them start listening to you; rather it’s just one more thing to fight about.
Please, don’t put words in my mouth, I never said I wanna demand who plays what, I said it saves time to get visual information about teammates and communicate a suggestion. Profiles not being private was never an issue in any other class-based game, for example in Heroes of the Storm it’s a common thing to check your teammates’ profiles and see which heroes they favor and use this information to build a proper comp.
Please stop acting as if private profiles somehow fixes toxicity without providing a a significant strategic disadvantage, not all of us used to check profiles for the reason to flame or be toxic to teammates, or any form of negative attitude towards people based on their hero rosters.
I’m not putting words in your mother. I’m saying that the idea that private profiles were useful in implementing negotiation is false. They were used as a bludgeon, and with the idea that people are going to tell each other what to do. The “you” is metaphorical.
I never claimed that private profiles were going to be a panacea for toxicity. I never even used the term. What I am saying is that they were and are a step in the right direction. Please stop putting words in my mouth. It makes the proceeding seem disingenuous.
I disagree. It’s a step in a different direction, for sure.
Okay. Well, thank you for the discussion.
Private profiles also affected the tournaments. You can easily scout your enemy teams for information such as skill level, hero choices, roles, play styles.
There was a low-level OW tournament in our country. And I was able to predict the outcome of every match just by comparing average sr of teams. With advances in analyzing and technology people can extract some serious amount of data about person just from his stats.
this i agree with, you should be able to see the enemy teams stats.
private profile kinda protects one tricks in that you cant super ruin their day from the start.
They made it default to avoid issues with GDPR, etc. Makes perfect sense in that light, and it gets around the bully problem by making it a privacy question.
huh, is that actually true?
seems like every single game with a combat record is breaking GDPR.
what private info is in your combat record?
They are. That’s the issue, Blizz and I can’t remember who are trying to just stay ahead of it. They can’t release your info without your permission, so in effect you have to make it private and let the person decide to make it viewable…
It is private info, because it’s yours… your teammate is not automatically entitled to it any more than seeing your bank account or medical records… because it’s yours. That’s effectively how GDPR and those regulations work.
what info?
your hero select is protected as private personal information LUL.
I haven’t really looked this up much but ill be honest it seems super bs, sceptical would be an understatement.
happy to be corrected though.
Did a quick google, you may not actually be far off, i still find it hard to believe thats the reason as its probably in their terms and conditions or some stuff.
but that GDPR definition is super open to interpretation.
I just don’t understand why every competitive esport game like League/Dota have open profiles but Overwatch doesn’t. We don’t even have a scoreboard for data. And it’s all because people are too sensitive and seem unable to use the mute button. Generation snowflakes really did win.
As I said, there is a feeling that GDPR and such are being used to help make the decision on the question of comp bullying by making it private. If there is any question, why wouldn’t they make it private by default and let you open it up? I think they are just playing it safe tbh at this point.
EDIT: Here’s a thread discussing this and mentions Blizzard specifically: https ://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17107165
Normal thought process of someone hating on Private Profiles:
“We’re losing! Gotta see if anyone is not playing their main so I can blame the loss on them!”
Yeah i get what you mean.
its probably a bit of both, honestly if it was open by default then people who change it would defo get flamed more.
cant wait for the lawsuit about someone laughing at my K/D in call of duty though.
i mean that does happen.
and most of the time in that situation its probably due to that person.
bad game design if you ask me, you shouldnt be able to one trick or main your way to a rank where you cant flex.
Not in my opinion. For me, private profile are suspicious by default, regardless of whether it even defaults to that setting or not.